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RE: GRDDL (was: RE: Extensibility strategies)

From: Justin James <j_james@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:16:52 -0400
To: "'Henri Sivonen'" <hsivonen@iki.fi>, "'Toby A Inkster'" <tai@g5n.co.uk>
Cc: <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <089b01c8f844$6b6ed7b0$424c8710$@com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Henri Sivonen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:30 AM
> To: Toby A Inkster
> Cc: Justin James; public-html@w3.org
> Subject: Re: GRDDL (was: RE: Extensibility strategies)
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 02:07, Toby A Inkster wrote:
> > On 5 Aug 2008, at 20:22, Justin James wrote:
> >
> >> * It is highly complex - Look at the diagrams on that page...
> >> anything that
> >> requires that many transformations and steps is prone to failure and
> >> problems. One misbehaving parser in that chain breaks it.
> >
> > Misbehaving rendering engines have been a major annoyance for
> > authors for ages, but people still use CSS. GRDDL is very much
> > simpler than CSS. (Though GRDDL makes use of XSLT which is quite
> > complex - however, many browsers do already have reasonably good
> > XSLT implementations.)
> GRDDL it is a very different from CSS in a way that is crucial
> considering the question of "CSS for semantics" particularly full
> accessibility:
> CSS doesn't throw away the original DOM. Instead, it annotates the
> document tree with properties that are updated when the DOM is updated.
> GRDDL, on the other hand, transforms the original document tree into
> RDF discarding the relationship between the RDF triples and the
> original tree nodes once the transformation has completed. Also, if
> you want the RDF triples to be updated when the document tree changes,
> you need to rerun the whole transformation. Therefore, GRDDL is not
> suitable for annotating an in-browser DOM with accessibility semantics.
> (ARIA annotates the DOM without a layer of indirection: the ARIA
> properties are attached directly to DOM element nodes as attributes.)

See, I would really want something that adds to the DOM like CSS does. The
more I hear and read about GRDDL, the more I like it as an item, but the
more I also do not think it does why I would like, or accomplishes what the
average HTML author needs. It sounds *great* for a "Web Developer", but for
someone generating static (or relatively static) HTML *documents*, it isn't
sounding like a good fit.

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