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Re: Cleaning House

From: T.V Raman <raman@google.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:00:58 -0700
Message-ID: <17978.9050.798335.60709@retriever.corp.google.com>
To: mjs@apple.com
Cc: foliot@wats.ca, hsivonen@iki.fi, redux@splintered.co.uk, bzbarsky@MIT.EDU, www-html@w3.org, public-html@w3.org


Next, you'll see me eating soup at a TAG meeting and believe I
like TagSoup:-)

To clarify, what I said about the <b>, <i> <em> tag question was:

A) At the end of the day, asserting that <em> is more semantic
   than <i> or that <i> is more presentational than <em> changes
   nothing.

B) Worse, if you only have <em> and didn't have an <i>, then
   people will just use <em> as a synonym for <i>, and the overall
   markup that results actually loses, not gains semantics.

C) If the only accessibility problem left on the Web was that of
   people using <i> tags instead of <em> tags, I'd declare
   victory and go home;-)!

Maciej Stachowiak writes:
 > 
 > 
 > On May 3, 2007, at 8:12 AM, John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:
 > 
 > > It boils down to this:  If you want to Bold some text, or italicize  
 > > it, or
 > > underline it, you are doing so *for a reason*... I don't care  
 > > really what
 > > the reason is, you are doing so in a visual way to indicate some  
 > > connotation
 > > or other cue/clue to the end "reader", or consumer.
 > 
 > You may be doing it for a reason, but articulating that reason  
 > succinctly in words is still difficult and significantly adds to  
 > cognitive load.
 > 
 > > But if you can't *SEE* the bold, italic or underlined text, how do you
 > > convey that same cue/clue to the end consumer?  For the sighted user,
 > > presentational features are not bad, but for the non-sighted, pray  
 > > tell, how
 > > will you convey that same nuance?
 > 
 > T.V Raman, one of the few people in this group who uses an aural  
 > presentation full-time, has said that he likes the <b> and <i>  
 > elements. I'll let his explanation speak for itself: <http:// 
 > lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007JanMar/0668.html>.
 > 
 > Regards,
 > Maciej
 > 
 > 
 > 

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--raman

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