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Re: Why HTML should be taught as HTML without pretending it is XML

From: Terry Morris <lsnbluff@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:27:33 -0500
Message-ID: <e516f4f50707201527g1f5e920ahdb694d397bec5b80@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Cc: "Maurice Carey" <maurice@thymeonline.com>, "HTML Working Group" <public-html@w3.org>
Thank you Maurice and Laura for making a case for web standards!

 Laura wrote, "the pro way is a huge use case.  It is an industry. "
As Laura's sources demonstrate, there is a huge push in industry for web
standards. The authors/speakers/sites that Laura mentioned are leading this.


At this point I believe it is up to the W3C to follow this groundswell push
for standards and stricter coding. I've been personally dismayed by the
posts on this list suggesting that old-style coding will be preferred in
HTML5.

I teach community college web development courses. We cover XHTML
(Transitional 1.0) and CSS. Students are required to write code that passes
W3C XHTML and CSS validators. This structure and attention to detail serves
them well as they continue in later courses and learn JavaScript and
server-side scripting.

It's my hope that the W3C's work with HTML5 will support coding standards
for web authors.


On 7/20/07, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/19/07, Maurice Carey <maurice@thymeonline.com> wrote:
>
> > Part of this recent surge of public interest in css and web standards is
> due
> > to certain "web pro's" making a name for them self and actually becoming
> a
> > little bit "famous" and then everyone followed their lead. Listening to
> what
> > _they_ had to say about web standards and _then_ discovering and
> > understanding the w3c. Visit some of these people's sites. Many are in
> xhml
> > (although there are plenty of reasons to not be using xhtml) and the
> > majority of them explicitly close _every_ tag on their pages.
> > (I haven't actually checked myself but my gut feeling is that I'm right
> :)
> >
> > It just feels like the right way to do it to me. The "pro" way of doing
> it.
> > The "don't cut corners you lazy bastard" way of doing it.
>
> Yes, Maurice is right. The pro way is a huge use case.  It is an industry.
>
>
> Books
>
> - Zeldman, Jeffrey. Designing With Web Standards, Second Addition, New
> Riders Publishing, 2006.
> - Zeldman, Jeffrey. Designing With Web Standards, New Riders Publishing,
> 2003.
> - Ruse, Kevin. Web Standards Design Guide (Internet Series), Charles
> River Media, 2005.
> - Niederst, Jennifer. HTML and XHTML Pocket Reference, O'Reilly, 2006.
> - Musciano, Chuck and Kennedy, Bill. HTML & XHTML: The Definitive
> Guide, O'Reilly, 2006.
> - Lloyd, Ian. Build Your First Website The Right Way Using HTML and
> CSS, Sitepoint, 2006.
> - Holzschlag, Molly E. Special Edition Using HTML and XHTML, Que, 2002.
> - Haine, Paul. HTML Mastery: Semantics, Standards, and Styling,
> Friends of ED, 2006.
> - Griffiths, Patrick. XHTML Dog: The Best-Practice Guide to XHTML and
> CSS, New Riders, 2006.
> - Griffiths, Patrick. XHTML & CSS: A Web Standards Approach, New Riders,
> 2005.
> - Freeman, Elisabeth and Freeman, Eric. Head First HTML with CSS &
> XHTML, O'Reilly & Associates, 2005.
> - Debolt, Virginia. Mastering Integrated HTML and CSS, Sybex Inc, 2007.
> - Debolt, Virginia. Integrated HTML and CSS, Sybex Inc, 2005.
> - Cederholm, Dan. Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style, Apress,
> 2004.
> - Cederholm, Dan. Bulletproof Web Design: Creating Flexibility with
> XHTML and CSS, New Riders, 2005.
> - Cederholm, Dan. Bulletproof Web Design, New Riders Publishing, 2005.
> - Castro, Elizabeth. HTML, XHTML, and CSS, Sixth Edition: (Visual
> QuickStart Guide), Peachpit Press, 2006.
> - Budd, Andy, et al. Web Standards Creativity: Innovations in Web
> Design with XHTML, CSS, and DOM Scripting, Friends of ED, 2007.
> - Budd, Andy, et al. CSS Mastery: Advanced Web Standards Solutions,
> Friends of ED, 2006.
>
> More Books:
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-2635528-6289556?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=html+web+standards&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
>
> Sites
> http://www.webstandards.org/
> http://webstandardsgroup.org/
> http://www.webstandardsawards.com/
> http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/
> http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/benefits/
> http://www.simplebits.com/publications/solutions/
> http://boagworld.com/standards/
> http://bitesizestandards.com/
> http://www.happycog.com/speak/
> http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/
> http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php
>
> Related References:
>
> Benefits and ROI (Why Standards?)
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#roi
>
>
> Semantics
>
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#semantics
>
> Separation
>
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#separate
>
> Structure
>
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#structure
>
> Tag Soup
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#tagsoup
>
>
> Validation
>
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#validation
>
> Guidelines and Best Practices
>
> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/standards.html#guidelines
>
> Best Regards,
> Laura
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>
>


-- 
Terry Morris
Web Developer Foundations: Using XHTML
htttp://www.webdevfoundations.net
http://terrymorris.net
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