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Re: Why HTML should be taught as HTML without pretending it is XML

From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:20:41 +0900
Message-Id: <4D08E14E-2617-49AD-A16C-0BDC4E2F41D8@w3.org>
Cc: Ben Boyle <benjamins.boyle@gmail.com>, "public-html@w3.org WG" <public-html@w3.org>
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>


Le 17 juil. 2007 à 23:41, Henri Sivonen a écrit :
> That's why I think people who are learning HTML are better served  
> by being told the truth about the ugliness of HTML instead of given  
> a more convenient story that it is like XML.

Henri: Don't make the conformance requirements
        for syntax too strict. (I'm the developer
        of a conformance who will have to deal with
        the community)
Ben:   Give Web Pro authors recommendations, guidance
        on writing a common syntax. (I'm an Web Developer
        who has to work with others. Stricter markup makes
        my work easier.)

Basically you are discussing two different things which could have  
overlaps.

>
>> It works for me. I don't expect it to work for everyone, but we  
>> have a
>> choice and that's good.
>
> Indeed. Part of the point I'm trying to make is that it is OK for  
> people never to omit tags or quotes around attributes values, but  
> it would be nice if in discussions about conformance people  
> tolerated the spec keeping these things conforming for other people  
> who have a different sense of source aesthetics.


I would say it is ok
	- for browsers to recover bad markups
	- for Common authors to not be beaten on the fingers for every details
	- for Professional to have a strict way of authoring which benefits  
the industry

None of these are incompatible. It is a question of context. Teaching  
certain practices about HTML is happening in a *context*. Not a  
binary world. All of that are handled usually by profiles (mandatory  
or not.) A specification is usually the expression of needs of a market.

If Web designers say, we will come up with an HTML 5 profile that we  
consider needed for our activity, it can perfectly become an "HTML 5  
profile for Web pro" specification for this market. I would say that  
Web Designers on the list have to organize themselves and propose a  
profile which is compatible with HTML 5 and can be a subset in the  
syntactic rules.  It can be a different document.

-- 
Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager, QA Activity Lead
   QA Weblog - http://www.w3.org/QA/
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