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Re: handling fallback content for still images

From: Robert Burns <rob@robburns.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:31:25 -0500
Message-Id: <FF8A6D11-E707-4712-BED5-16CF2B6778F2@robburns.com>
Cc: Thomas Broyer <t.broyer@gmail.com>, public-html@w3.org
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>


On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:12 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:

>
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:52, Robert Burns wrote:
>
>> Yes, I understand. The point here was that Henri said that tr  
>> cannot be a child of table in the text/html serialization.  
>> However, it can.
>
> No, it can only look like it to the author who doesn't know how  
> HTML works on this point.


There's a bit of word play going on here that I don't think is at all  
helpful. When authoring a document, the author want to know what  
element can I put inside of this table element. Oh, it says here I  
can put a tr inside here. Great. Telling the author that they don't  
know how HTML works is just plain silly. HTML is not only the DOM. It  
is many things. When talking about authoring, the serialization is  
very important. The fact that the DOM will later infer a tbody in  
there is an interesting detail for an author to know. However, its  
not the "real" way HTML works. HTML works with all of this together.

<with-the-Henri-attitude> Perhaps I should point you to some  
serialized HTML so that you can see how HTML really works.</with-the- 
Henri-attitude> :-)

<rant>The thing that frustrates me here. Is that we in the WG already  
know this stuff.  Yet you treat it like there's this magical secret  
that will soon be revealed to us. Even with the discussion about the  
parser, we weren't talking about the parse. We were ()and are)  
talking about an HTML5 UA (including multiple parsers) and how it  
handles conversions between serializations.  But then you shifted the  
conversation to be about the parser so that you could say: "see the  
parser doesn't handle XML serializations". Fine, then the  
conversation wasn't about the parser at all.</rant>

Take care,
Rob
Received on Monday, 9 July 2007 08:31:34 UTC

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