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Re: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?

From: Marcos Caceres <m.caceres@qut.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:34:01 +1000
Message-ID: <b21a10670703271334v24d4a7d7qb375a280f6687d8f@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Bhasker V Kode" <bhaskervk@gmail.com>
Cc: "Mike Schinkel" <mikeschinkel@gmail.com>, public-html@w3.org

While you guys were busy discussing alternative collaboration tools,
we used IRC and the wiki to put together the proposed design
principles document [1]. It only took 5 of us less than an hour.
Less talk, more walk,
Marcos

[1] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ProposedDesignPrinciples

On 3/27/07, Bhasker V Kode <bhaskervk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/27/07, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>You don't have to look at (or update) the wiki if you don't want to, but
> I think doing so will help.
>
> My thoughts on the need for alternative forms of collaboration.
>
> Firstly , running a web forum myself - i dont think having a web forum would
> have do a better job in indexing the discussions . Moreover ,here are some
> other issues i can foresee in popular web forum softwares :
>
>  - most web forums have vague boundaries for anonymous posting  .Compare
> this with a mail to public-html@w3c.org .
> - most of them have their own ways of segmenting 'new posts' that does not
> include the threads already identified as 'new posts'  earlier ..so two
> users who might view the posts for the last n days might see inconsistent
> views.  OTOH the mailing list archives are crude,but effective and
> consistent .
>  - installing patches , updates ..that need regular tweaking.
>  - im sure that we might consider strip off a lot of features ( like viewing
> online users , and so on )
>  -  unneeded wrappers for messaging among users . compare this to receiving
> an email and replying to the person right in your inbox.
>
> I have no personal vengeance to settle with web forums  :P , but considering
> that we have users with varying reading frequencies , i believe that web
> forums will not improve ,if not resolve the growing collaboration problems.
> Like many have highlighted above , irc, mailing lists have worked before.
> And it is true that they might not be able to justify their potential with
> the increasing posts,threads.
>
> However ... where forums , irc channels ,and mailing lists loose out is
> where wiki 's excel ! I really dont need to elucidate further ..but i will 8
> )
>
> -  having quick changes that dont need to be reflected over at the w3c
> pages.
> - organising minutes of meetings , TODO 's ... hmm am i missing any more
> winners.. ah   lists  ..oh and even HTML !
> - a page where you could propose x ,and post the link over at the mailing
> list .
> -  providing templates for project ideas , proposals ...and so on.
> -  providing content that will change over time ...like faq's  , meeting
> dates,and so on.
> -  a page for announcing future meetings , links to the minutes of past
> meetings ,chat archives .
> -  A page that could have the f2f meetings attendee list  ...
> -  a page where people looking to contribute to X could volunteer by adding
> their names..
>  - and so on....
>
> The first three points , I can  particularly relate to and these are the
> reasons why i think wiki's wouldnt be a bad idea .
>
> Keep Clicking,
> Bhasker V Kode ,
> TutorVista
>
>
>
>


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Marcos Caceres
http://datadriven.com.au
Received on Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:34:10 GMT

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