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Re: Reanimate <xmp>

From: Dão Gottwald <dao@design-noir.de>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:12:03 +0100
Message-ID: <475D1F03.7090007@design-noir.de>
To: "j.j." <moz@jeka.info>
CC: public-html@w3.org

j.j. wrote:
> Hello!
> There is some noise on the list about the revenant <xmp>.
> We should bring it back to real life.
> The <xmp> element was part of the first HTML standard [1].
> It has support of all mayor web browsers [2] back to the early days of the
> web. Actual browser support is as described in a footnote of HTML2 [3].
> This gives a taste of the discussions 15 years ago [4]:
>   >[...] I hope I've misunderstood, if you are proposing to replace
>   >XMP with PRE. Another problem with this replacement is
>   >the quoting problem. With XMP, you don't need to worry about whether
>   >or not your arbitrary text contains something which looks like an HTML
>   >tag. This is an important feature, and one which should be kept IMHO.
>   [...] Even the XMP semantics are no good. In SGML, the
>   string "</" is recognized as markup iff it's followed by a name start
>   character (a letter). The above HTML documentation says </ is only
>   markup if it's followed by XMP, i.e. "</XMP>" is the _only_ string
>   that ends an XMP section. This is not expressible in SGML.
> Dan Connolly's arguments are invalid these days, so we should bring back
> <xmp> to the standard.

They're still valid in that it's not expressible in XML. Defining it for 
one of the two serializations only doesn't seem worthwhile.

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