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Re: Keeping some order in the wiki

From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:26:57 -0400
To: Sander Tekelenburg <st@isoc.nl>, <public-html@w3.org>
Cc: Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org
Message-Id: <20070815051624.M37256@hicom.net>

aloha, sander -- ben millard taught me an invaluable moinmoin 
wiki trick -- to obtain the actual document source that is 
served to your UA, save the source code and search for a 
text string you know to be a header, and there will be an 
ID defined for it -- the levels of ID granularity within 
the document source which is served to your UA varies, but 
headings ARE one of the items that moinmoin does consistently 
provide an ID (usually a very long numeric (and possibly 
alpha-numeric) string)

as for keeping the ToC current, we could either appoint someone
to do it (harvest new pages and mount them on the ToC at least
once a day), rely on those who create pages to add them to the 
ToC, or write some sort of script that scrapes for diffs at 
regular intervals to add anything marked as "New" or anything 
that is moved (as in the case of a wiki page which started in 
one place, such as the root topic directory, and was later 
moved, for sanity's and classification's sake, to a top-level
sub-directory, such as HTML/) would be automagically changed 
on the ToC -- or, we could simply make the ToC an HTML WG 
space document, to which updates are automatically pushed --
a file in the www.w3.org/html/wg/ directory, which would also 
be of assistance in information tracking during the migration 
of HTML wiki space to a new which will not automatically 
preserve diffs, page histories, user accounts, etc.

just some thoughts off the top of my head at 0130 local time,
CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils,
as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them 
with others.         -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
             Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net
  Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Sander Tekelenburg <st@isoc.nl>
To: <public-html@w3.org>
Sent: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:49:14 +0200
Subject: Re: Keeping some order in the wiki

> At 20:33 -0400 UTC, on 2007-08-14, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
> > Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:20:12 +0200, Sander Tekelenburg <st@isoc.nl> 
> [...]
> >> <http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML> is becoming quite big this way.
> >> I'm beginning to lose sight of things. Could not the entire
> >> "Justifications for Differences" section be moved to a separate page?
> >
> > the reason i started an index of HTML wiki space at:
> >
> > http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/TableOfContents
> Hm... OK, that might be necessary, yes. But I'm going to be 
> critical anyway ;) Not only does it seem cleaner to me to simply 
> have a 'clean' homepage from where everything can be found, but 
> even more importantly, a separate TOC means that someone will 
> need to make sure it is kept up to date. I doubt that is 
> practical. Who is going to ensure it will be kept up to date?
> For the moment I've placed a link to your TOC all the way at the 
> top of the homepage, called Table Of Contents. (Am I missing 
> something, or doesn't this wiki allow embedding links within 
> heading levels?) That will at least make it easier to find the 
> TOC than having it somewhere at the bottom under a "See also" 
> heading :)
> Please don't take offense. I appreciate the work everybody's 
> putting in the wiki. But if we don't keep it clean, all that 
> work gets buried under itself. That would be a waste.
> [...]
> > i too, wanted to avoid bloat on the main issues page
> OK, that's three of us. We can't discuss every detail with 
> everyone. It's a wiki. So I've moved the Justifications for 
> Differences to individual pages. If people hate it they can move 
> it back :) (I realise I may have gone 'too far' by splitting the 
> justifications into several pages now. But I couldn't figure out 
> an elegant way to have it all inn one page and still logically 
> likn to it from the homepage.)
> But we probably need to be careful. At a certain point 
> everything may have become so interlinked that moving one thing 
> can break 'everything'. (I for one have been posting links to 
> fragment identifiers, pointing to specific points in a page.)
> >, especially since there isn't a wikified ToC for that page (or any 
> > which is why i created the ToC page...
> Yeah. The wiki should just generate generate a TOC by itself. 
> (But that's another thread.)
> -- 
> Sander Tekelenburg
> The Web Repair Initiative: <http://webrepair.org/>
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