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Re: Hand-coding HTML (was: New html-element: table3)

From: Maurice <maurice@thymeonline.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:57:00 -0400
To: HTML Working Group <public-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <C25BC24C.233F%maurice@thymeonline.com>

On 4/28/07 3:31 AM, "Mike Schinkel" <w3c-lists@mikeschinkel.com> wrote:

> 
> Preston L. Bannister wrote:
>> 
>> As a practical matter, I would point folks of that sort at OpenOffice
>> (which has a pretty decent save-to-HTML or PDF), Google Docs, or the
>> like.  Hand coding HTML (especially tables) is incredibly tedious, and
>> not an efficient use of their time.  (Incidentally, my long-ago
>> college degree is in Physics, not software.) If hand-coding HTML makes
>> little sense for non-software folk now, by the time any change to HTML
>> is widely adopted (likely several years from now), the need will be
>> even less.
> I *strongly* disagree with your assertion, and have been debating it
> ad-naseum in the <indent> vs. <blockquote> thread.  Users should be able
> to hand-code HTML, period.
> 
> It looks like this is another need for consensus among the group.  I
> strongly believe that HTML should be able to be hand-coded and then have
> tools built.  If it can be hand-coded then tools can certainly be
> created for HTML.  If tools are instead *required* then the hand-coders
> fall by the wayside and we are stuck with lots of tools with incomplete
> functionality and inconsistent user interfaces as the only way to
> produce HTML, and that would be a giant step backward IMO.
> 
> How about we can a consensus on this, event it goes against my view, for
> the principles?

I think...
I hand code
You probably hand code
The people we hire are required to hand code
The people who hire us require that we hand code
99.9% of the people in this group hand code 90% of the time at least (wild
guess)

So in total that's what...0.07% of the planet
The rest of the world does not and will not want to hand code. People will
hand code things for those people to be able to use without hand coding.
Those who want to get into the hand coding business will be willing to
learn. The work we are doing now will make it easier for those people to do
complex things in the future. People not willing to 'learn' but still want
to play around with html will likely continue to use a mix of hand coding
and wysiwyg and will continue to create 1996 era sites. The rest of the
world will be updating forms on myspace2.0

There will always be hand coders. There will always be non coders. The non
coders will always outnumber us. The non coders will always be dependant on
us to build something they can use to create stuff on their own without
coding.
That's what I think.

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