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Re: A 9th use case? Using an HTML toolchain to produce XML

From: Stephen Green <stephendgreenweb@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:09:17 +0000
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGA9MaRsDHSYM4P-74cznSwVA=9Q=efpeyE46E@mail.gmail.com>
To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
Cc: public-html-xml@w3.org, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
> What's the use case?
Maybe you could take a look at what the various Governments are
requiring in their public sector systems for interoperability purposes.

In the UK it used to be a requirement that ALL forms output as XML
for all public sector systems (central, local gov, health and defence).
Maybe it still is, though now they seem to defer, AFAIK, to whatever
is the equivalent ruling in the interoperability framework for the EU
public sector departments. (Sir TBL would probably know the latest
thinking/ruling on this, as would anyone who has worked at high level
in UK government IT). I think other countries adopted or considered
adopting similar frameworks but I do not know if forms outputing
XML was a common requirement, especially given the HTML5 push
away from 'the feature list of XForms'. In the UK XForms was actually
listed in the e-gov interoperability framework in one of the drafts, IIRC,
but then dropped - perhaps because of a realisation there was going
to be substantial opposition - but they did keep the broader forms
requirement to output XML (again, if I remember correctly). That
might all be academic now if they have dropped their own e-GIF in
favour of the EU one (if there is one yet) but, IMO, it does indicate their
clear aspirations.

Does this qualify as a use case?

Cheers

Stephen D Green

On 15 February 2011 09:33, Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi> wrote:

> > Maybe use cases 5 and 7 describe aspects of "Using an HTML toolchain
> > to
> > produce XML".
> >
> > They do not seem to cover it adequately though.
> >
> > Take some other particular aspects which use cases 5 and 7 do not seem
> > to
> > cover
> >
> > 1) calling a webservice from an HTML webpage (where the web service
> > requires, say,
> > an XMLDocument datatype input parameter
> >
> > 2) use of XML in an XmlHttpRequest where XML is sent in the request
>
> How are these two using an "HTML toolchain"? Aren't they using the XML
> toolchain contained in browsers even if the JavaScript that uses the
> toolchain is bootstrapped from an HTML document?
>
> > 3) XML sent with a full page postback (non AJAX)
> > such as the sending of XML in an HTML form output
>
> What's the use case?
>
> Back when HTML5 forms were being developed as a check list of stuff that
> XForms had, HTML5 forms had an XML submission format that tied into a
> repetition model. Both the repetition model and the XML submission format
> were dropped once we stopped trying to match the feature list of XForms.
>
> --
> Henri Sivonen
> hsivonen@iki.fi
> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
>
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