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RE: Suggested revised text for HTML/XML report intro

From: Robert Leif <rleif@rleif.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:37:06 -0700
To: "'Anne van Kesteren'" <annevk@opera.com>, <public-html-xml@w3.org>, "'Noah Mendelsohn'" <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
Cc: "'Larry Masinter'" <LMM@acm.org>
Message-ID: <00d301cc5aa0$67c4f510$374edf30$@rleif.com>

I agree with Anne van Kesteren, which is why, I wish to add a disclaimer to the report. I believe that possibility of developing a working interface between XML and HTML5 can be maximized by concentrating on XHTML5. The simplest solution would be to encourage Microsoft to make its HTML5 schema fully implement HTML5 and make this schema(s) available to the rest of the software community at no charge. Microsoft’s and other schema and XML validation tools including browsers would then have to accept interleave elements, such as the one in XSD1.1. I would also like the inclusion of Curies and/or Prefixes that could be used in XHTML5 forms and RDF. 


This functionality should facilitate the development of medical and other mission critical software. In the case of medical software, it would really help with the development of a comprehensive medical informatics infrastructure, such as the one required to control US medical costs.  It could also greatly help Microsoft or any other software manufacturer. An office type suite that used XHTML5 as its file format would be portable and thus present a very significant marketing advantage.

Bob Leif


-----Original Message-----
From: public-html-xml-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-xml-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:58 AM
To: public-html-xml@w3.org; Noah Mendelsohn
Cc: Larry Masinter
Subject: Re: Suggested revised text for HTML/XML report intro


On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:47:44 +0200, Noah Mendelsohn < <mailto:nrm@arcanedomain.com> nrm@arcanedomain.com>


> ==================================================

> Against the backdrop of this tension, the TAG formed this Task Force 

> in order to explore how interoperability between HTML and XML could be 

> improved, and this report sets out the results of the Task Force's work.


> The Task Force explored some approaches that would provide higher 

> levels of compatibility than are discussed in the sections below. For 

> example, consideration was given to proposals to produce new versions 

> of the XML specification that would retain significant compatibility 

> with XML as deployed today, but would provide more HTML-compatible processing, e.g.

> for documents that are not well formed. Unfortunately, the task force 

> failed to discover any such approach that we expect would be widely 

> accepted in practice. As shown by the failed attempt to deploy XML 

> 1.1, XML is valued in part because of the high degree of compatibility 

> among XML tool chains; if an XML document is processable by one 

> application or tool, chances are excellent that it will work with 

> others. Thus, the introduction of a new class of more HTML-compatible 

> XML tends to undercut the very property that XML users value most: the 

> new documents may be rejected or misinterpreted by existing XML tools 

> and applications. Similarly, efforts to extend or adapt HTML5 to 

> become more XML-compatible seem unlikely to meet with sufficiently 

> widespread acceptance, at least at this time. So, with reluctance, the task force

> reports that no structural changes could be identified that would   

> significantly increase the compatibility of the two stacks, and also 

> be deployable in practice.


> The task force did carefully analyze a set of use cases, and concluded 

> that substantial opportunities do exist today for using HTML and XML 

> technologies together.  Details are provided in the sections below.

> Readers are particularly encouraged to report additional use cases 

> that they feel are not represented or specific examples where the 

> solutions outlined are not appropriate.


> ==================================================


I don't think this summary is accurate. We have enumerated potential places where there could be convergence, but we have not actually investigated whether XML5 could work, for instance. Having said that, I think it is fair to say there have been several fruitless attempts to change HTML to date.




Anne van Kesteren

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