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Re: WHATWG IRC discussion about GRDDL and head/@profile (ISSUE-55)

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:21:42 +0200
Message-ID: <4892FFD6.6050302@gmx.de>
To: Shawn Medero <shawn@db79.com>
CC: public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org

Hi Shawn,

sorry for the late reply; just came back from the IETF meeting in Dublin.

Shawn Medero wrote:
> (Moving my comments to public-html-wg-issue-tracking)
> 
> Julian,
> 
> For what it is worth, I did put a pointer to that #whatwg IRC
> discussion directly in the notes on ISSUE-55 on Saturday. I also
> bookmarked it on delicious with an html5 tag in hopes of hitting the
> right channels.

Yep, I saw that when I edited the ticket. Thanks.

> As you know these discussions happen organically... I think a couple
> of attempts were made on public-html to get people thinking about
> @profile (specifically from Dan Connolly) but no one took the bait. So
> while the discussion on @profile was squirreled away at #whatwg...

...which is something I really dislike. Discussions like that really 
should occur in a W3C mailing list or IRC channel.

> there are enough eyeballs from this working group on that channel that
> I didn't think it would go without mention for long. I was just happy
> to see someone think about the issue, regardless of it being in the
> proper w3 sanctioned forum.
> 
> Thanks for bringing it up though, I'm curious to see what others in
> the WG think. The resulting discussion at #whatwg just left me wanting
> to know more. Tom Morris kept mentioning edge use cases that _needed_
> @profile but then I never saw any references to material in the wild
> that I could study to understand _why_. With that said -- Tom kept a
> open mind throughout the discussion... going so far as to suggest that
> GRDDL would be willing to move closer to HTML 5 if that's what it
> took. I don't know Tom's relationship to GRDDL other than he appeared
> to be implementer... excuse my ignorance. The only people I follow who
> actually talk about using GRDDL are DanC and Sean B. Palmer.

I think GRDDL didn't need to use profile, but unfortunately they did. It 
would be simple to rephrase it without it, registering a relation value 
(which in IETF land is probably going to be a IANA registry with URI 
based extensibility, while it's a wiki in HTML5 land; oh dear).

That being said -- the removal of @profile is a process issue. I'm not 
opposed to say it shouldn't be in HTML5, as long as HTML5 offers 
something *better*, which it doesn't.

> I'd like to see a list of proposals (with pros/cons) for @profile ...
> from various suggestions for keeping it... all the way to completely
> removing it. Maybe I'll take that on... if someone with a bit of
> knowledge on GRDDL wants to point me in the right direction.

I know a bit about GRDDL, so just ask, and I will try to explain. It's 
probably better to have that discussion on the html-wg mailing list, so 
that it's not just between us.

BR, Julian
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