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From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:30:00 -0600
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Draft minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-minutes.html.
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                               - DRAFT -

                       HTML Weekly Teleconference

22 Mar 2012

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/22-html-wg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          glenn, eliot, hober, Sam, +1.415.832.aaaa, krisk, paulc,
          Judy, [Microsoft], adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, tantek

   Chair
          sam (rubys)

   Scribe
          glenn

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22
         2. [6]New Issues This Week
         3. [7]Items Closed Last Week
         4. [8]Items Closing This Week
         5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
         6. [10]New Calls this week
         7. [11]New Surveys this week
         8. [12]Decisions this week
         9. [13]Task Force Reports
        10. [14]Other Business
        11. [15]Scribe for next meeting
        12. [16]Adjournment
     * [17]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012

   <tantek> greetings

   morning

   <scribe> Scribe: glenn

   <tantek> now that is hilarious

   i guess i should talk to myself at this point ... ;)

   <rubys> trackbot, start meeting

   <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference

   <trackbot> Date: 22 March 2012

   <scribe> Chair: rubys

   <scribe> Scribe: glenn

   <scribe> Agenda:
   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce
   /2012JanMar/0027.html

     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0027.html

ACTION items due by Thursday, March 22

   None

New Issues This Week

   None

Items Closed Last Week

   ISSUE-187: validity-stability, Agree/Disagree to Amicable
   Resolution closed Mar 13

   [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/022
   5.html

     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0225.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-187 Document conformance has to be stable over
   the time notes added

   rubys: no objections

   ISSUE-80 was incorrectly included

   <rubys>
   [20]http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-080

     [20] http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-080

   ISSUE-131: caret-location-API, Call for Counter Proposals
   closed Mar 14

   [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/020
   9.html

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0209.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-131 Should we add a caret location API to
   canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? notes added

   ISSUE-158: object-content-model, Call for Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 14

   [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/019
   8.html

     [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0198.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-158 HTML4's content-model for <object> should
   continue notes added

   ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas, Call for Counter Proposals
   closed Mar 14

   [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/020
   8.html

     [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0208.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods
   should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text
   editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added

   ISSUE-179: av_param, Agree/Disagree to Amicable Resolution
   closed Mar 15

   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/027
   7.html

     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0277.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-179 {audio,video} require param child (or
   equivalent) notes added

Items Closing This Week

   ISSUE-193: inaccessible-example, Call for Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   4.html

     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0264.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-193 Remove CSS example that promotes
   inaccessible content notes added

   rubys: will go to CfC shortly

   ISSUE-194: full-transcript, Call for Counter Proposals closes
   Mar 21

   [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   6.html

     [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0266.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-194 Provide a mechanism for associating a full
   transcript with an audio or video element. notes added

   rubys: have two extension requests

   ISSUE-195: form-http-req, Call for Counter Proposals closes Mar
   21

   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   3.html

     [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0263.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-195 Enhance http request generation from forms
   notes added

   rubys: two proposals, chairs will evaluate

   ISSUE-196: ua-http-resp-handling, Call for Counter Proposals
   closes Mar 21

   [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   8.html

     [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0268.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Define user agent http response handling
   behaviour notes added

   rubys: no counters, next step CfC

   ISSUE-197: accept-file-ext, Call for Counter Proposals closes
   Mar 21

   <trackbot> ISSUE-197 Accept attribute should allow file
   extensions in addition to the current allowed values notes
   added

   [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   5.html

     [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0265.html

   ISSUE-199: aria-processing, Call for Counter Proposals closes
   Mar 21

   [30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   9.html

     [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0269.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-199 Define complete processing requirements
   for ARIA attributes notes added

   rubys: will evaluate

   ISSUE-201: canvas-fallback, Call for Counter Proposals closes
   Mar 21

   [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/026
   7.html

     [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0267.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-201 Provide canvas location and hit testing
   capability to fallback content notes added

   rubys: has ext request

   ISSUE-190: coding-example, Call for Consensus closes Mar 23

   [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/046
   3.html

     [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0463.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-190 Replace poor coding example for figure
   with multiple images notes added

   rubys: CfC closes tomorrow

Items Closing Next Week

   ISSUE-80: title-alternative, Call for Consensus closes Mar 28

   [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
   3.html

     [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-80 document conformance and device dependent
   display of title attribute content notes added

   ISSUE-134: tab-states, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28

   [34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/054
   7.html

     [34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0547.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-134 Provide tablist and tab states for menu
   and command elements respectively notes added

   ISSUE-191: ins-del, Revise Change Proposals closes Mar 28

   [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/012
   8.html

     [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0128.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-191 Replace/complement <ins> and <del>
   elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution
   notes added

   ISSUE-200: legend-placement, Call for Counter Proposals closes
   Mar 28

   [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/046
   6.html

     [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0466.html

   <trackbot> ISSUE-200 Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in
   non-FIELDSET elements notes added

New Calls this week

   None

   rubys: double checking...
   ... two issued
   ... that weren't in agenda

   <rubys>
   [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
   2.html

     [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0602.html

   ISSUE-204?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule
   that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

   <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

     [38] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

   rubys: call for alternate CPs or counter CPs

   <rubys>
   [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/060
   3.html

     [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0603.html

   ISSUE-80?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device
   dependent display of title attribute content -- open

   <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

     [40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

   rubys: CfC

New Surveys this week

   None

Decisions this week

   Close ISSUE-170 rel-uri-valid by Amicable Resolution

   [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   3.html

     [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0553.html

   Close ISSUE-179 av_param by Amicable Resolution

   [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   4.html

     [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0554.html

   Close ISSUE-182 footnote-recommendation by Amicable Resolution

   [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   5.html

     [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0555.html

   Close ISSUE-187 validity-stability by Amicable Resolution

   [44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   6.html

     [44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0556.html

   Close ISSUE-188: generic-track-format by Amicable Resolution

   [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   7.html

     [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0557.html

   Close ISSUE-192 title-attribute by Amicable Resolution

   [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/055
   8.html

     [46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0558.html

   rubys: questions or comments?

Task Force Reports

   Testing Task Force

   krisk: met last week, will meet again on 27th

   <krisk> Notes ->
   [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2
   012Mar/0005.html

     [47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Mar/0005.html

   krisk: won't fix bug that existed

   <krisk>
   [48]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15042

     [48] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15042

   krisk: canvas tests, listed in notes

   <krisk> Microsoft submitting some Progress and Range Tests

   rubys: questions?

   Accessibility Task Force

   janina: two main items

   <scribe> ... new canvas section coming from editor

   UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: not everything is clear, but one thing is
   clear: straying into approaches inconsistent with html5 time
   line
   ... at least for good a11y support
   ... so this is a concern
   ... second avenue, aria attribute (ARIA 1.1) draft...
   ... like longdesc (ISSUE-30)
   ... summarize as some people still want to develop longdesc
   ... the describe-at attr should apply to more elements than img
   ... aimed at markup, not just html
   ... e.g. svg
   ... not quite settled
   ... maybe 'obsolete but conforming' is acceptable
   ... a11y still thinks longdesc is needed today
   ... longdesc is implemented, but inconsistently
   ... that's it for now

   rubys: doesn't believe current proposals describe longdesc as
   obsolete but conforming

   janina: correct

   rubys: may need new CP or modification

   janina: expects laura is not in favor of "that"
   ... can beef up proposals

   <Judy> s/"that"/obsolete but conforming

   janina: not to fix described-by but fix ?
   ... come up with other additional attribute

   <Judy> s/"that?"/obsolete but conforming/

   janina: thinks current CP covers problem with described-by

   rubys: questions? comments?

   judy: side note: janina has coord request with Paul, but trying
   to schedule

   paulc: glad to try

   rubys: other questions? comments?

Other Business

   CfC: Publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs

   [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/024
   7.html

     [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html

   Revert request r7023

   [50]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/049
   1.html

     [50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0491.html

   rubys: extension request, chairs trying to sort out

   F2F registration page

   [51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/048
   8.html

     [51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0488.html

   rubys: everybody should register
   ... AOB?

   adrianba: ISSUE-180?

   ISSUE-180?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox
   -- open

   <trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180

     [52] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180

   <adrianba>
   [53]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/051
   1.html

     [53] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0511.html

   scribe: unable to implement decision due to lack of information
   ... CP should have all details
   ... no feedback stating otherwise
   ... wonders about status of this work

   rubys: not yet applied to spec
   ... knows of no specific request for clarification, etc.

Scribe for next meeting

   paulc: will be chairing

   rubys: is ted available for next meeting?

   ted: yes
   ... volunteers for next meeting

Adjournment

   adjourned

   trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

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