- From: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:46:52 -0800
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
Maciej wrote:
> The HTML Working Group will have its usual weekly teleconference on
> 2011-12-15 for up to 60 minutes from 17:00Z to 18:00Z.
The minutes from this week's teleconference are available at
http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-html-wg-minutes.html
or in plain text below.
HTML Weekly Teleconference
15 Dec 2011
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
hober
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Action items due by Thursday, December 15
2. [4]New Issues This Week
3. [5]Items Closed Last Week
4. [6]Items Closing This Week
5. [7]Items Closing Next Week
6. [8]New Calls this week
7. [9]New Surveys this week
8. [10]Decisions this week
9. [11]Other Business
10. [12]Web and TV IG update
11. [13]Other Other Business
12. [14]Scribe for next meeting
13. [15]Adjournment
* [16]Summary of Action Items
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<rubys> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011
<mjs> do we have a scribe designated?
<paulc> Nope.
<scribe> ScribeNick: hober
Action items due by Thursday, December 15
mjs: there are none
New Issues This Week
ISSUE-190?
<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with
multiple images -- raised
<trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
[50] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure
with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: this is about one of the examples in the <figure> section of
the spec
ISSUE-191?
<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements
by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
<trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
[51] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a
cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
mjs: based on discussion in a bug
... <ins> and <del> used to show edit history
ISSUE-192?
<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match
reality -- raised
<trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
[52] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not
match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: steve argues that the way title="" behaves in browsers doesn't
match the spec
Items Closed Last Week
ISSUE-133?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a
modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
<trackbot> [53]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
[53] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to
indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: CfC closed 12/7
... had multiple change proposals, all but one dropped
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link>
semantics -- open
<trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
[54] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and
semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: only received one change proposal, no counters
... CfC passed
ISSUE-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
<trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
[55] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
mjs: IETF prefers I-Ds to be cited as works in progress
... Going to CfC now
ISSUE-180?
<trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox --
open
<trackbot> [56]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
[56] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -
HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for alternate or counter proposals closed
<scribe> ... new iframe sandbox directive that would allow popups to
be displayed
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: editor has expressed willingness to adopt proposal
... likely to be closed by amicable consensus
Items Closing This Week
mjs: there aren't any
Items Closing Next Week
ISSUE-179?
<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or
equivalent) -- open
<trackbot> [57]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
[57] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or
equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for proposals closes 12/22
... lots of discussion at TPAC on this issue
<glenn> believes the WebTV IG will be forwarding proposal to HTML WG
New Calls this week
<glenn> regarding adding specific AV params
ISSUE-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
<trackbot> [58]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
[58] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be
given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
mjs reports on what glenn said in irc
ack
mjs: ISSUE-177 CfC closes 12/28
... any objection needs to be accompanied with a change proposal
<rubys>
[59]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0079.htm
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[59] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0079.html
<pimpbot> Title: CfC: Close ISSUE-177: ietf-id-wip by Amicable
Resolution from Paul Cotton on 2011-12-12 (public-html@w3.org from
December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
ISSUE-177 CfC closes 12/20, not on the 28th as claimed in the agenda
ISSUE-190?
<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with
multiple images -- raised
<trackbot> [60]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
[60] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-190: Replace poor coding example for figure
with multiple images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: call for proposals closes 1/21
... allowing a little extra time due to the holiday break
ISSUE-191?
<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements
by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- raised
<trackbot> [61]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
[61] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-191: Replace/complement and elements by a
cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-192?
<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match
reality -- raised
<trackbot> [62]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
[62] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-192: title attribute definition does not
match reality - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
New Surveys this week
mjs: there aren't any
Decisions this week
ISSUE-133?
<trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a
modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
<trackbot> [63]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
[63] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to
indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: was resolved by amicable consensus
ISSUE-174?
<trackbot> ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and <link>
semantics -- open
<trackbot> [64]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
[64] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and
semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
mjs: also passed by amicable consensus
Other Business
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to
canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> [65]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[65] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to
canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
Re-opening of ISSUE-131
[66]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0059.htm
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[66] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0059.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Request to re-open issue 131 from Sam Ruby on
2011-12-09 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: received a change proposal for a portion of the original
decision
... we expect lots of other proposals challenging other aspects of
the decision
... we vacated the previous decision
... we'll need someone to provide a proposal defending what's in the
spec
... may split into multiple issues
... the issue covered several changes, thematically related but
logically separable
... please help us get a stronger resolution this time
Vacated time portion of revert request for r6783
[67]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0058.htm
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[67] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0058.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: noted 3 issues re: time/data (was Re: minutes
for HTML WG f2f, 2011-11-04, part 1) from Sam Ruby on 2011-12-09
(public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: mailing list discussion revealed rough consensus on direction
for <time>
... so we recinded that aspect of the revert request
... still ongoing discussion of <data> and pubdate=""
Open Web Platform Weekly Summary for 2011-12-05 - 2011-12-11
[68]http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/12/open_web_platform_weekly_summa.html
[68] http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/12/open_web_platform_weekly_summa.html
<pimpbot> Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-12-05 -
2011-12-11 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
mjs: a number of HTML related items in there
Fresh editor's drafts
[69]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0085.htm
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[69] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0085.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Is the W3C version of the spec branched or
stuck at Nov 04, was: Revert request for r6783 from Sam Ruby on
2011-12-13 (public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: WG members have noted that editor's drafts weren't updating
... they are now relatively freshly updated
... canvas spec is at 12/9, html at 12/15
HTML Speech XG
[70]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0080.htm
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[70] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Dec/0080.html
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Speech XG Completes, seeks feedback for
eventual standardization from Dan Burnett on 2011-12-12
(public-html@w3.org from December 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: Speech XG want input from the HTML WG on their work
... strongly encourage WG members to go over their work & provide
feedback
Web and TV IG update
Clarke: we intend to submit 2 proposals
... one is for network-level error message reporting
... will help provide better service
... the other proposal is for adaptive bitrate parameters, feedback,
and error messages
... we discussed it in our meeting today
... expect to submit something by the end of the day
<rubys>
[71]http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#cha
nge-proposal
[71] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#change-proposal
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Working Group Decision Policy (at dev.w3.org)
Clarke: do our proposals need to be in a particular format?
mjs: for discussion in the group, any format is fine
<paulc> Can I suggest that the proposals indicate exactly what bugs
they are speaking to.
mjs: if you want it to be a change proposal, should conform to the
decision policy's description of what goes in CPs
paulc: do your wiki pages & proposals indicate precisely which bugs
you're responding to?
Clarke: not currently
paulc: that would be really helpful for the WG
... re: format, earlier is better, so don't spend too much time
wordsmithing
... does this tell the WG what changes we want to make and why
rubys: if you cover the what & why, you're 90% of the way to a CP
Other Other Business
<Laura> What is the Chairs' plan to move on ISSUE-30 longdesc? Is
there a timeline?
<Laura> Paul had previously mentioned that the Chairs had estimated
that they would be finished reviewing proposals on Dec 11.
<Laura>
[72]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/022
7.html
[72] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Nov/0227.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: [text] HTML-A11Y Text, TUES 29 NOV, 2011, 17:00
Z, (1PM Eastern), 60 min from Paul Cotton on 2011-11-29
(public-html-a11y@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
mjs: we've reviewed one of the change proposals
... review of jonas' proposal is almost ready to go
... we hope the final review will be out before the holiday break
Scribe for next meeting
mjs: any volunteers? meeting will be on 12/22
Adjournment
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