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Re: MSE questions from Open IPTV Forum, HbbTV and the UK DTG

From: Aaron Colwell <acolwell@google.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:56:57 -0700
Message-ID: <CAA0c1bA+h+TinoYzR=+9T8L85h5eH2O+VyiK6kim8jNjVEri=g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Cc: "public-html-media@w3.org" <public-html-media@w3.org>, Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com>, "Piesing, Jon" <jon.piesing@philips.com>
Answers to questions inline...


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>wrote:

>  I have received the following questions from a joint meeting between the
> Open IPTV Forum, HbbTV and the UK DTG.    These organizations originally
> sent a liaison statement to the W3C Web & TV IG:****
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-web-and-tv/2013Jan/0000.html(W3C member only link)
> ****
>
> and as a follow up to that liaison I have arranged for some of the members
> of these external organizations to join our Tue Mar 19 Media TF meeting.**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> My plan is to add these questions to the Media TF meeting agenda for Tue
> Mar 19.  In addition we may have some new Bugzilla bugs filed against the
> MSE spec by these external experts.  If such bugs are created then I will
> also add those to the TF meeting agenda.****
>
> ** **
>
> Please feel free to start a discussion on these questions in response to
> this email.****
>
> ** **
>
> Q1. Are there plans for test cases for MSE?
>

I assumed that test cases were required in later stages of the spec
process. My guess is that once we get to the point of interoperability
testing between browser implementations we'll share test cases with
eachother. I already have a few tests in
WebKit<http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/http/tests/media/media-source>covering
Chromium's implementation, but they are not exhaustive or up to
date with the current spec text yet. This set of tests will only grow as
time goes on because WebKit's commit process requires tests when adding new
features.

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>
> Q2. Do you believe MSE contains the features needed for a DASH player that
> fully supports the DASH profiles defined by MPEG and by DASH-IF? If a DASH
> player on top of MSE could only support a subset of these profiles, is
> there any information on what could not be supported?
>

I believe that a fair amount of DASH can be supported with MSE. I am not an
expert on the DASH spec so I don't know all the details. My goal was to
enable basic VOD and adaptive streaming use cases with the first version of
MSE. I believe we have achieved that since I know YouTube and Netflix have
both built MSE based DASH clients.

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>
> Q3. Has any thought gone into how MSE could be used with a media element
> whose playback rate was other than 0 or 1? Particularly rates greater than
> 1 or less than 0.
>

I would expect applications to set the playbackRate attribute on the
HTMLMediaElement like non-MSE based playback would. It is up to the UA to
decide how it wants to handle this. It would likely require the web
application to append media segments at a much higher rate.

If applications wanted to use a keyframe only track or something, they
could simply append this stream into a separate SourceBuffer and then set
the selected attribute on the appropriate VideoTrack when they wanted to
"fast forward". Using a separate SourceBuffer allows you to keep the
keyframe only stream separate from the full frame-rate content and the
application can just switch between the two video tracks using the standard
track selection functionality specified in HTML5.


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>
> Q4. In section 8, it says;****
>
> ** **
>
> >The combination of an initialization segment and any contiguous sequence
> of media segments associated with it must:****
>
> ..****
>
> >If a track is encrypted, provide any encryption parameters necessary to *
> ***
>
> >decrypt the content (except the encryption key itself)****
>
> ** **
>
> Is there a complete description for the handling of encrypted content with
> an embedded DRM?****
>
> **
>

Encryption details are handled by the Encrypted Media
Extension<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/default/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html>
spec.
They are intentionally left out of the MSE spec because implementors may
want to implement MSE w/o implementing EME. The encryption information is
typically inside one of the structures that reside in an initialization
segment so no furthur information is needed in the MSE spec. For example,
the KeyIDs for encrypted content in WebM are contained within the Tracks
element which is required as part of the WebM initialization segment
definition. A similar situation happens for ISO-BMFF & MPEG-2 TS.



>  **
>
> Q5. The broadcasters in our 3 organisations have a requirement to know
> when a particular advert starts being played and stops being played so that
> they can report this information back to an advertising server. It seems to
> us that the (only?) way to achieve this with with MSE is to remember a)
> where in the timeline the advert has been inserted (as defined by
> timestampOffset) and b) the length of the advert. As the content is played,
> the app would poll the currentTime property of the media element and test
> if this was within an advert. Is this how you would expect this requirement
> to be met with MSE?
>

I would suggest using the metadata
TextTrack<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#texttrack>functionality
in HTML5 for this. It allows you to dynamically create Cues
and add them to the timeline. You then get notified when the cue is
"displayed". This will allow you to avoid polling because the event only
fires when the current playback position actually reaches the cue.

Aaron
Received on Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:57:26 UTC

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