- From: Zi Bin Cheah <zibin@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:26:25 +0200
- To: 中文HTML5同樂會ML <public-html-ig-zh@w3.org>
- Cc: "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>
专名号在大马算是没人用，大陆那边应该也少用。可能 港台教科书有用，电纸书盛行也可能会推动使用率。 Ian拒绝用<u>语义化来用专名号其实我本人觉得是对的。 试想想现在大家脑子里一看到<U>就想到underline, 重新教 育有多难，而且大家都会继续滥用。 当然这没有解决专名号的需求。我想到的一个方法是用 mark然后用CSS去underline它。不晓得这个方法实际吗？ 同时请教一下，现在标点符号的标准用法是ruby吗？ On Sep 30, 2010, at 1:46 AM, KangHao Lu (Kenny) wrote: > 說明一下、、這算是對之前專名號的討論[1]做的回 > 應，總之就是希望HTML5標準書至少不會把<u>放在「不 > 合標準的標籤」[2] 而至少放在「將被拋棄但是合標 > 準」[3]。很抱歉沒先在這個郵件群組得到共識，但是 > 從10/1開始回報標準錯誤的過程會進入下一個階段所以 > 我至少希望這個議題在這個時候被拿出來討論一下。 > 我目前的看法是 > > - 加一個新標籤（像是<pn>之類的）真的很不可能 > - 用<a>或<a href>（屬性沒值）是一種濫用 > - <span class="pn"> 還是有點太長了 > - Mike跟我講說<i>留下來的很大原因是因為西方會用斜 > 體標船名，總不能發明一個<ship>吧。所以<u>是比較實 > 在的，而且也不少人支持把<u>拿回來。 > > > > 總之這個議題處理的狀況都會CC到這個列表啦，如果 > 這個提案被回絕了大家也多多瞭解這個HTML5編輯Ian > Hickson是怎麼做事的吧。議題回報裡我也提到了之前的 > 討論（三年前了、、），有些為什麼<u>不見了但是 > <b><i>回來了的原因（主要就是<u>跟超連結的混亂問 > 題）。不過那時候都沒什麼人提到專名號所以這次就 > 順便提了一提啦！ > > 歡迎大家用HTML5 Bug Tracker的時候CC到這邊來。 > > 有空再多介紹一些HTML5的名人吧（像是Bug裡提到的Apple > 的Maciej[5]） > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-ig-zh/2010Aug/threadl#msg184 > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features > [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but-conforming-features > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268 > [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maciej_Stachowiak > > 此致 > > Kenny > > On 2010/09/30, at 8:06, bugzilla@jessica.w3.org wrote: > >> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10838 >> >> Summary: Make <u> conforming. >> Product: HTML WG >> Version: unspecified >> Platform: PC >> URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#obsolete-but- >> conforming-features >> OS/Version: All >> Status: NEW >> Severity: major >> Priority: P3 >> Component: HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) >> AssignedTo: ian@hixie.ch >> ReportedBy: kennyluck@w3.org >> QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org >> CC: mike@w3.org, public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org, >> public-html@w3.org, public-i18n-cjk@w3.org, >> public-html-ig-zh@w3.org >> >> >> This was discussed in a long thread[1] three years ago. There was >> no consensus >> and no response from the editor, but since some people like Maciej >> think we can >> make <u> at least conforming[2], I would like to raise this bug to >> catch the >> editor's attention. >> >> Proper name mark, in Chinese [3] is a use case that was slightly >> mentioned in >> the thread (see also an example picture[4]). The purpose of this >> mark is to >> highlight *every* proper noun in some text to help the reader break >> words, >> cause Chinese people don't use spaces for word breaking. Although >> it is no >> longer popular recently, proper name mark is still used in some >> textbooks in >> Taiwan (esp. children's Chinese textbook) and Hong Kong. Because >> the purpose >> and frequency of using "proper name mark" in a piece of text is >> similar to code >> highlighting, I personally don't think it's appropriate to use >> <mark> for this >> purpose since the spec says "This (<mark>) is separate from syntax >> highlighting, for which span is more appropriate." But then <span >> class="pn"> >> is probably too long. This is not yet a very prevalent use case >> because proper >> name marks are often used in combination with vertical text and >> vertical text >> is not yet popular on the Web. >> >> While I do strongly agree that an underlined text which is not a >> hyperlink >> confuses the user in his/her browsing experience, there are HTML >> user agents >> for which browsing the Web isn't the main purpose and hence the >> user might not >> get confused. e-book readers are such examles. >> >> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/thread#msg268 >> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0307 >> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_name_mark >> [4] http://www.go8.com.tw/files/4168%200004.jpg >> >> -- >> Configure bugmail: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/userprefs.cgi?tab=email >> ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- >> You are on the CC list for the bug. >> > Regards, Zi Bin Cheah / 谢子斌 Web Evangelist / Developer Relations / Site Compatibility / Products Group / Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway + 47 23 69 25 81 / twitter: zibin
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