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Re: Prevent indexing images <img>

From: Aurélien Lheureux <contact@aurelienlheureux.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:15:34 +0100
Message-ID: <55071DC6.2040000@aurelienlheureux.com>
To: public-html-comments@w3.org
Hi,

With your explaination I would not against the rel attribute.

There is a chance that this request is taken into account one day ?

Aurelien

Le 10/03/2015 21:14, Michael A. Peters a écrit :
> sitemaps should be dynamically updated or they go stale quickly.
>
> But back to rel - I know it is currently used for relationship with 
> external document, but reality is, it's instructions to indexers.
>
> things like rel="nofollow" are so specific to search engines they 
> cause confusion to some users who don't want to use the attribute 
> because they psychologically want their users to follow it (e.g. 
> affiliate marketing) and the phrase "nofollow" is counter to that.
>
> I don't think a second attribute to instruct search engines is needed, 
> just expand the definition of rel to also encompass the relationship 
> of the node to the document when it isn't a node that generally links 
> to an external source (such as a[nchor] and link)
>
> With the source element, the meaning of the attribute (and what 
> attributes are legal) changes depending upon the parent node, so there 
> is precedence for context influence attribute meaning already.
>
> On 03/10/2015 01:03 PM, contact@aurelienlheureux.com wrote:
>> @Andrea :
>> Could you give me an exemple of code ? but this way need to specify
>> height and width ? The advantage of image tag is the autodetection of
>> these properties.
>>
>> e.g. I have a character in my html page animated with jquery and i want
>> that the page to be responsive and i can't use breakpoint.
>> I have just to specified percentage width and let the height adjust 
>> itself.
>> When I resize the window, the character resizes itself, and jquery
>> calculates news coordinate for the animation.
>>
>> Anyway, aside from my example that was just here to bring my thoughts, I
>> supposed that others persons had maybe encountered this problems of some
>> unwanted indexed images.
>>
>> By the way, concerning  the intellectual property, I agree with Michael.
>> You can reproduce an illegal situation of a copying a book on a html
>> page, use the noindex meta tag and diffuses it even if you are not the
>> author, it is probably illegal, but you can do it.
>>
>> @Michael
>> Rel attribute is used for a relationship with another external document
>> from a source to a target, but considering that an image is already
>> included in the content, this would make it to do a relationship from
>> the source to the source, do not you think ?
>>
>> A sitemap image node could be indeed another approach.
>> The subtilitie is that with an attribute you can change the src of image
>> without impact the fact that you don't want that this image particulary
>> is indexed. Moreover with a dynamic content displayed with a loop, you
>> can specify this attribute without take into account the image source.
>> Finally you can apply the non indexation on a fully range.
>>
>> Whereas the sitemap need to be continually updated with the sources
>> unwanted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 10/03/2015 13:32, Michael A. Peters a écrit :
>>> What about something like rel="nofollow" ??
>>>
>>> That's what we do when we don't a link to be construed as related to
>>> our page content itself (e.g. an advertisement)
>>>
>>> But perhaps the right place for this isn't in the html itself but in
>>> the sitemap file - maybe an image:priority child of the image:image 
>>> node.
>>>
>>> As far as intellectual property implications :
>>>
>>> A) It is not the job of HTML itself to protect intellectual property
>>>
>>> B) If it isn't being indexed in the image search, then it may still be
>>> an intellectual property violation, but at least isn't one that is
>>> bringing new business to the site away from the real intellectual
>>> property owner.
>>>
>>> On 03/10/2015 03:42 AM, Andrea Rendine wrote:
>>>> Hi Aurélien
>>>> I haven't tested any case yet, but I usually prefer to maintain 
>>>> graphic
>>>> elements and page content separated in my pages too.
>>>> Now, it depends on what you mean by "no choice but to use an image
>>>> instead of ...css".
>>>> I incorporate graphical elements in form of transparent 1px gif images
>>>> and use the "real" graphic as a CSS background element.
>>>> Then I wrap all the content which is to be replaced by the image in an
>>>> element with display:none, so that only the graphic appears.
>>>> Would this solution help you?
>>>> BTW, I don't think that such an attribute could be implemented.
>>>> As a very basic caveat, consider the malicious use that could be 
>>>> done of
>>>> such an attribute, hiding potentially illegal content present in the
>>>> page.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea
>>
>>
>> Le 10.03.2015 13:32, Michael A. Peters a écrit :
>>> What about something like rel="nofollow" ??
>>>
>>> That's what we do when we don't a link to be construed as related to
>>> our page content itself (e.g. an advertisement)
>>>
>>> But perhaps the right place for this isn't in the html itself but in
>>> the sitemap file - maybe an image:priority child of the image:image
>>> node.
>>>
>>> As far as intellectual property implications :
>>>
>>> A) It is not the job of HTML itself to protect intellectual property
>>>
>>> B) If it isn't being indexed in the image search, then it may still be
>>> an intellectual property violation, but at least isn't one that is
>>> bringing new business to the site away from the real intellectual
>>> property owner.
>>>
>>> On 03/10/2015 03:42 AM, Andrea Rendine wrote:
>>>> Hi Aurélien
>>>> I haven't tested any case yet, but I usually prefer to maintain 
>>>> graphic
>>>> elements and page content separated in my pages too.
>>>> Now, it depends on what you mean by "no choice but to use an image
>>>> instead of ...css".
>>>> I incorporate graphical elements in form of transparent 1px gif images
>>>> and use the "real" graphic as a CSS background element.
>>>> Then I wrap all the content which is to be replaced by the image in an
>>>> element with display:none, so that only the graphic appears.
>>>> Would this solution help you?
>>>> BTW, I don't think that such an attribute could be implemented.
>>>> As a very basic caveat, consider the malicious use that could be 
>>>> done of
>>>> such an attribute, hiding potentially illegal content present in the
>>>> page.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea
>
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