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Re: Inline Lists

From: Ryan Roberts <hello@ryanroberts.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:07:37 +0100
Cc: Seth Call <sethcall@gmail.com>, public-html-comments@w3.org
Message-Id: <D8EA85C4-A991-4D87-8DEB-522FCD80DFB0@ryanroberts.co.uk>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
On 3 Aug 2009, at 11:52, Ian Hickson wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> It would not be appropriate to break out into a block level list
>> surrounded by two separate paragraphs. Using CSS is also out of the
>> question because I would then have to embed the list element within  
>> the
>> paragraph. I suppose I could use the b element to set the list text  
>> off
>> from the surrounding text but this doesn't convey the correct  
>> semantic
>> information.
>
> What is the "correct semantic information" to be used for in this  
> case?

That it is a list (ordered or unordered), but within another element.

>
>
>> Has a solution for this ever been considered in HTML?  If it has been
>> considered is there anything I can read covering why it wasn't  
>> accepted?
>
> We did originally have <ol> allowed in <p>, but it turns out to be a  
> can
> of worms with a number of complications. The most important problems  
> were
> that it makes editors harder to write, it is incompatible with  
> legacy HTML
> parsing rules, and it makes the content models really complicated.
>

Ah ok I wasn't aware it had already been suggested, and yes I can  
imagine it being complicated especially with backward compatibility.

>
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Seth Call wrote:
>>
>> The HTML5 spec has a semi-solution, in that it is suggested that when
>> you omit the p tags, there are in effect 'implicit paragraphs'.   
>> Check
>> out the last example of this section,
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/dom.html#paragraph, (the one about 'My
>> Cats').  While that example is a clever way of thinking of the data,
>> ultimately I don't think this is a workable solution, because it is
>> impossible to know for sure that the text on either side of the block
>> element is actually related.
>
> It's not really intended to be a solution, that's just something  
> that I
> had to define because otherwise there's no clear definition of what  
> that
> text actually is.
>
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