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Re: HTML 5: The l (line) element

From: Frank Ellermann <nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:20:13 +0100
To: public-html-comments@w3.org
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Dave Hodder wrote:
 
> Please consider adding the 'l' element (as found in XHTML 2).

So far I thought XHTML 2 is designed to be transformed into
something "visible" with browsers on the side of the server,
while HTML5 wishes to *be* this client-"visible" something.  

In other words introducing backwards incompatible "features"
needs compelling reasons, with <del> and <tfoot> as examples
how to drop the ball.

> instead of "<p>Line 1<br>Line 2</p>", one would type 
> "<p><l>Line 1</l><l>Line 2</l></p>".

IMO not compelling, and it won't work in almost all browsers.

> <form method="post" action="/profiles">
> <p>
>    <l><label for="forename">Forename:</label>
>       <input type="text" id="forename" name="forename"
>              size="50" maxlength="50" /></l>
>    <l><label for="surname">Surname:</label>
>       <input type="text" id="surname" name="surname"
>              size="50" maxlength="50" /></l>
[...]

Could <ul><li>...</li><li>...</li></ul> do what you want ?
validator.nu accepts <ul><li> instead of <p><l> for your
example, claiming that size="50" is invalid in HTML5.

Unfortunately "size" is yet another REQUIRED feature for
backwards compatibility, your size=50" is a decent value
for such old browsers.  
   
> I don't believe adapting to use <l> would prove any more
> challenging than, for example, adapting to use <section>.

I didn't look into many proposed new features for HTML5 so
far, maybe a <section> is not much better than <l>.  IIRC 
XHTML 2 has no <i>, but HTML5 does.  Having <i> *and* <l>
is not nice.

> <!--[if lt IE 8]><script type="text/javascript">
>  document.createElement('l');  // Register 'l' element within IE
> </script><![endif]-->

A feature requiring enabled Javascript in some browsers 
might delight the double-tracker-ping-analytics fans. :-(
 
 Frank
Received on Sunday, 17 February 2008 23:18:56 GMT

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