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[Bug 10039] New: Markup examples in document fail to illustrate difference

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:24:54 +0000
To: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org
Message-ID: <bug-10039-2486@http.www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/>
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10039

           Summary: Markup examples in document fail to illustrate
                    difference
           Product: HTML WG
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: HTML5 differences from HTML4 (editor: Anne van
                    Kesteren)
        AssignedTo: annevk@opera.com
        ReportedBy: marcosc@opera.com
         QAContact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org
                CC: mike@w3.org, public-html@w3.org, annevk@opera.com


>>>>> User agents must use these rules for resources that
>>>>> have the text/html media type. Here is an example document that
>>>>> conforms to the HTML syntax:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why this example is here? What does this have to do with
>>>> parsing? How is the parsing of this document any different from HTML4?
>>>
>>> It illustrates what was just explained. The DOCTYPE is different. <meta
>>> charset> is too.
>>
>> Ok, then please add "(note the differences in <doctype> and <meta
>> charset>)."
>>
>> Better yet, you should have a side by side comparison of the two. You
>> could make the distinction much more clear if you showed a minimally
>> conforming document, like this:
>>
>> <!doctype html>
>> <html>
>> <meta charset="UTF-8">
>> <title>Example document</title>
>> <p>Example paragraph
>>
>> The above example totally valid/conforming
>> (http://html5.validator.nu/) and really illustrates the differences -
>> and gets rid of all those redundant closing tags!
>
> HTML4 allowed that too so you have the same amount of differences.

I tried the above in both validator.nu and validator.w3.org and both 
reported it to be invalid HTML4.1 (all flavors of it).

>>

> I
> don't think detailed comparison of these differences is interesting.
> This is enough for authors to just copy and paste and that is probably
> the most useful bit of that section.

I disagree. I think it is particularly interesting because it 
demonstrates the disconnect between markup and DOM, which is an inherent 
difference between the two languages (i.e., HTML5 is defined in terms of 
the DOM and without understanding the DOM construction algorithm, you 
are quickly gonna get into problems... while, HTML4 seems to be DOM 
agnostic or something. Anyway, important difference - be nice to see it 
in the document.).

>>> This document is not intended for such depth.
>>
>> Ok, at least make sure you link to the relevant section in HTML5.
>
> I'm only doing that for the elements at the moment. Maybe once we go to
> CR or something stable like that I could add a bunch more links.

Ok, can you add a note to the spec stating that... so you won't forget:)

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