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RE: plan for removing hgroup from spec

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 15:38:21 +0000
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "public-html-admin@w3.org" <public-html-admin@w3.org>
CC: Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org>, "Edward O'Connor (ted@oconnor.cx)" <ted@oconnor.cx>, Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, "Erika Doyle Navara" <Erika.Doyle@microsoft.com>, Travis Leithead <travis.leithead@microsoft.com>
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I would like to suggest that Steve delay this change so that WG members have longer than 5 days to consider this change to HTML 5.1.  The notification period covered the Easter weekend and lots of people take vacation at this time of year including Steve.


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From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:06 AM
To: public-html-admin@w3.org
Cc: Robin Berjon; Edward O'Connor (ted@oconnor.cx); Silvia Pfeiffer; Erika Doyle Navara; Travis Leithead
Subject: Re: plan for removing hgroup from spec

Hi all,

I plan to do the edits to remove <hgroup> on Monday 8th April, before I leave on vacation for a week.

any objections?


HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 3 April 2013 10:49, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

as per the chairs decision I plan to remove hgroup from the HTML5 spec.
It will be made non conforming, but the implemented parsing rules and user agent CSS rules will remain (as is usual for obsoleted) elements and add advice on how to mark up subheadings/subtitles and the like to the common idioms[2] section

I also plan to do the same as above for HTML 5.1.

By doing this we can start with a levelish playing field and allow interested parties to gather data/define use cases/ do research and create extension specs for a feature for identifying subheadings, this may be a modified hgroup or something else or maybe nobody comes up with a good enough set of use cases/research/data to meet the high bar we should be setting for adding an element to HTML and we may decide that providing advice on how to mark up subheadings with existing elements is appropriate.
I have created a bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21563 to track discussion, please feedback here or there.

with regards

HTML 5.1<http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
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