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RE: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

From: Travis Leithead <travis.leithead@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:06:06 +0000
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, 'Steve Faulkner' <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
CC: "public-html-admin@w3.org" <public-html-admin@w3.org>
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Being not too familiar with the specific ALT current best practices defined in the spec, would you mind summarizing what you think it says and how you'd propose changing it?

From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:02 AM
To: Paul Cotton; 'Steve Faulkner'
Cc: public-html-admin@w3.org
Subject: RE: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

I would say that the FPWD will get a lot of attention and whether we like it or not, people will take very seriously what we appear to recommend regarding ALT. Therefore, I would like to see this section have to same level of rigorousness as the rest of the document which it currently does not have. Therefore, I think it's better spun out to an extension spec.

Is there anyone on the HTML5 working group who thinks this advice represents current best practices? It's not consistent with WCAG which I think represents a huge problem for WCAG, HTML, and the unity of W3C documents.

Cheers
David MacDonald

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From: Paul Cotton [mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com]
Sent: December-07-12 9:19 AM
To: Steve Faulkner
Cc: public-html-admin@w3.org<mailto:public-html-admin@w3.org>
Subject: RE: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

What is your rationale for wanting these changes done BEFORE the first FPWD of HTML 5.1?  Why can't these "splits" be done after the FPWD?

/paulc
HTML WG co-chair

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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From: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 5:57 AM
To: Paul Cotton
Cc: public-html-admin@w3.org<mailto:public-html-admin@w3.org>
Subject: Re: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

html a11y task force chair hat off:

I request the following be considered by the working group before publication:

a)  the author conformance requirements in section '4.8.1.1 Requirements for providing text to act as an alternative for images' [1] be separated out and go through the process of  publication as an extension spec.

b) the generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt attribute [2]  be separated out and go through the process of  publication as an extension spec.

c) the hgroup element be separated out and go through the process of  publication as an extension spec.

[1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/embedded-content-0.html#alt
[2] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/embedded-content-0.html#attr-img-generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt
[3] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/sections.html#the-hgroup-element
On 6 December 2012 20:17, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com<mailto:Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>> wrote:

This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) the following HTML 5.1 document:



http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/Overview.html



Silence will be taken to mean there is no objection, but positive responses are encouraged. If there are no objections by Thursday Dec 13, this resolution will carry.



Considerations to note:



- As a First Public Working Draft, this publication will trigger patent policy review.



- As a Working Draft publication, the document does not need not be complete, to meet all technical requirements, or to have consensus on the contents.



/paulc

HTML WG co-chair

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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Tel: (425) 705-9596<tel:%28425%29%20705-9596> Fax: (425) 936-7329<tel:%28425%29%20936-7329>




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