Re: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

Hi Paul,

my rationale for:

>b) the *generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt* attribute [2]  be
separated out and go through the process of  publication as an extension
spec.

is that as stated in Plan 2014 the meta generator exception attribute is to
be pursued as an extension spec.[1]

My rationale for a) is that with 5.1 we have the opportunity for a fresh
start on a set of requirements that have never had consensus within the
working group and have only remained in the spec, because once it is in the
spec it is very hard to get something out. If the working group had had a
reasonable process for deciding technical consensus at the time 4.8.1.1 was
introduced, I believe they would not be there today.  The separating out
will provide the working group the opportunity to re-examine the text on a
level playing field.


as for c), hgroup is classified as an at risk feature, and it is  generally
agreed wholly deficient as a feature in HTML. So it gives the working group
the opportunity to re-examine the feature and look at alternatives.

Please note: I did not say I would object to publication BEFORE FPWD I only
asked that the working group consider the requests.


regards
SteveF


[1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/html5-2014-plan.html#issues

On 7 December 2012 14:19, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:

>  What is your rationale for wanting these changes done BEFORE the first
> FPWD of HTML 5.1?  Why can’t these “splits” be done after the FPWD?****
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> *From:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2012 5:57 AM
> *To:* Paul Cotton
> *Cc:* public-html-admin@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: CfC: to publish HTML 5.1 specification as a First Public
> Working Draft (FPWD)****
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> html a11y task force chair hat off:
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> I request the following be considered by the working group before
> publication:
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> a)  the author conformance requirements in section '4.8.1.1 Requirements
> for providing text to act as an alternative for images' [1] be separated
> out and go through the process of  publication as an extension spec.
>
> b) the *generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt* attribute [2]  be
> separated out and go through the process of  publication as an extension
> spec.
>
> c) the hgroup element be separated out and go through the process of
> publication as an extension spec.
>
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/embedded-content-0.html#alt
> [2]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/embedded-content-0.html#attr-img-generator-unable-to-provide-required-alt
> [3]
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/sections.html#the-hgroup-element
> ****
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> On 6 December 2012 20:17, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:**
> **
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> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to publish as a First Public Working
> Draft (FPWD) the following HTML 5.1 document:****
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>  ****
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> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/Overview.html****
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>  ****
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> Silence will be taken to mean there is no objection, but positive
> responses are encouraged. If there are no objections by Thursday Dec 13,
> this resolution will carry.****
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>  ****
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> Considerations to note:****
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> - As a First Public Working Draft, this publication will trigger patent
> policy review.****
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>  ****
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> - As a Working Draft publication, the document does not need not be
> complete, to meet all technical requirements, or to have consensus on the
> contents.****
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>  ****
>
> /paulc****
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> HTML WG co-chair****
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>  ****
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada****
>
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3****
>
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329****
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>  ****
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