Re: [Media] MAUR Comments from Cognitive TF 1 of 2

Yeah - I had not read that one yet.  I would have balked too.  There are
nuances here that have nothing to do with the media stream really.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:

> Uhm… I have one issue:
>
> > Sentence beginning with “Individuals with …”
>
> a. It is not just that “…information that is presented as text embedded in
> a video should also be available as audio descriptions …”. Text anywhere,
> such as in web pages, should be available aurally. [1]
>
> b. Suggestion: Change to “… information presented as text should be
> available aurally, including audio descriptions embedded in videos …”. [2]
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] While I appreciate the sentiment, and where it is coming from, we need
> to be very careful here that we do not imply or suggest that all text
> should have aural equivalents - that is/should be as much a responsibility
> of the end user as it is the content creator. Pages that host HTML5 video
> may have other text associated to it, and the statement as suggested
> *might* be implied that the entire page needs an aural equiv., which at
> that point we MUST hand off to a TTS engine.
>
>
>
> [2] Today we have the ability to provide either audio descriptions (actual
> audio files), or text-based 'descriptions' that could be handed off to a
> TTS engine (we've seen PoC's from IBM Japan & WGBH/NCAM). So we acknowledge
> that the descriptions today can be either audio or text-based. (
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/#text-video-description)
>
>
>
> As well, the audio description (presuming it is an MP3 or similar audio
> file) can be provided out-of-band by using the <track> element and @kind
> (="descriptions") (ref:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/track.html#track.attrs.kind) - so
> suggesting that it MUST be 'embedded" in videos is incorrect - that is but
> one way of doing it.
>
>
>
> Happy to take the feedback, and prepared to take another look at the text
> here, but NO to carte-blanche change for this bullet.
>
>
>
> JF
>
>
>
> *From:* ahby@aptest.com [mailto:ahby@aptest.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane
> McCarron
> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:56 AM
> *To:* HTML Accessibility Task Force
> *Subject:* Re: [Media] MAUR Comments from Cognitive TF 1 of 2
>
>
>
> My plan is to just apply these edits from the Cognitive Task Force unless
> there are any objections?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Rochford, John" <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>
> To: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <
> public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:00:12 +0000
> Subject: RE: Needed urgent review ....Fwd: Cognitive Section in the MAUR
>
> Hi Lisa and All,
>
>
>
> My comments:
>
>
>
> 1)       Sentence beginning with “Cognitive and …”
>
> a. Cognitive disabilities are neurological disabilities.
>
> ·  Suggestion: Change “Cognitive and neurological disabilities …” to
> “Cognitive disabilities …”.
>
> b. All of the references are to cause/disability disorders except for
> “memory impairments”.
>
> ·  Suggestion: Remove “memory impairments” from the list. It is common to
> all of the disorders listed anyway.
>
> 2)       Sentence beginning with “Individuals with …”
>
> a. It is not just that “…information that is presented as text embedded in
> a video should also be available as audio descriptions …”. Text anywhere,
> such as in web pages, should be available aurally.
>
> b. Suggestion: Change to “… information presented as text should be
> available aurally, including audio descriptions embedded in videos …”.
>
> 3)       Sentence beginning with “Some conditions …”
>
> a. The reference to “…multi-system effects …” is confusing to me. I don’t
> know what that means.
>
> ·  Suggestion: Reword/clarify.
>
> b. This is a run-on sentence.
>
> ·  Suggestion: Divide into two sentences, i.e. “Some conditions, such as
> autism-spectrum disorders, may have multi-system effects. Individuals may
> need a combination of different accommodation.”
>
> c. I believe the reference to “accommodation” should be plural.
>
> · Suggestion: Change to “accommodations”.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Rochford
> UMass Medical School/E.K. Shriver Center
> Director, INDEX Program
> Instructor, Family Medicine & Community Health
> http://www.DisabilityInfo.org <http://www.disabilityinfo.org/>
> Twitter: @ClearHelper
>
>
>
> *From:* lisa.seeman [mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:56 AM
> *To:* public-cognitive-a11y-tf
> *Subject:* Needed urgent review ....Fwd: Cognitive Section in the MAUR
>
>
>
> We have been asked to review the "Media Accessibility User Requirements
> (MAUR)"
>
> document
>
> Can we try and review it as soon as possible and check  the section about
> Cognitive in the MAUR:
>
>
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/pfwg/WD-media-accessibility-reqs-20140717/media-accessibility-reqs/index.html#cognitive-and-neurological-disabilities
>
> They are  soon finalizing it so if we have comments we need to make them
> as soon as possible
>
> All the best
> Lisa
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