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RE: Minutes: Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference, 20 January 2014

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:56:01 +0000
To: Mark Sadecki <mark@w3.org>, Jay Munro <jaymunro@microsoft.com>, "Rik Cabanier (cabanier@adobe.com)" <cabanier@adobe.com>, Jatinder Mann <jmann@microsoft.com>, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, "wiltzius@google.com" <wiltzius@google.com>
CC: HTML A11Y TF Public <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "public-canvas-api@w3.org" <public-canvas-api@w3.org>, "Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)" <rubys@intertwingly.net>
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> The edits from the bugs are in (for both CR & L2).

I presume that the documents to be reviewed are the Editors drafts here:

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/master/ 

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sadecki [mailto:mark@w3.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:05 AM
To: Jay Munro; Paul Cotton; Rik Cabanier (cabanier@adobe.com); Jatinder Mann; Eliot Graff; wiltzius@google.com
Cc: HTML A11Y TF Public; public-canvas-api@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)
Subject: Re: Minutes: Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference, 20 January 2014

On 1/22/14, 5:05 PM, Jay Munro wrote:
> We're almost there on the CR. The edits from the bugs are in (for both CR & L2). I believe those are the only bugs brought up for the CR. I'd like to see the A11y/canvas task force take one last look at the edits from the bugs, and we'll be ready to go on the CR. 

I think we can get the majority of the canvas sub group to another call this Monday 1/27 to collectively review the changes.
> 
> If the team has any changes on the CR, they'd need to be replicated to the Level 2 spec, but that shouldn't take any time. 
> 
> I'd say we should be ready by mid next week if everyone agrees. 

I think that sounds reasonable.

Mark
> 
> -Jay 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Cotton 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:14 PM
> To: Rik Cabanier (cabanier@adobe.com); Jay Munro; Jatinder Mann; Eliot Graff; wiltzius@google.com
> Cc: Mark Sadecki; HTML A11Y TF Public; public-canvas-api@w3.org; Sam Ruby (rubys@intertwingly.net)
> Subject: RE: Minutes: Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference, 20 January 2014
> 
> Given that all the Canvas 2D CR bugs now appear to be resolved [1], when will the Sub Group and the Canvas Editors be ready to provide a revised Canvas Last Call working Draft and a Canvas L2 heartbeat Working Draft for a publication CfC by the HTML WG?
> 
> /paulc
> HTML WG co-chair
> 
> [1] http://j.mp/1hGWiDK - Canvas 2d accessibility related CR bugs
> 
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Sadecki [mailto:mark@w3.org] 
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:06 PM
> To: HTML A11Y TF Public; public-canvas-api@w3.org
> Subject: Minutes: Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference, 20 January 2014
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The minutes for the Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference 20 January 2014 are available in HTML and plain text below.  Supporting information for this Sub Group can be found on the wiki: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
> 
> HTML: http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html
> 
> TEXT:
> 
>     [1]W3C
> 
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>              Canvas Accessibility Sub-Group Teleconference
> 
> 20 Jan 2014
> 
>    See also: [2]IRC log
> 
>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           Mark Sadecki, Rich Schwerdtfeger, Jatinder Mann
> 
>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Mark Sadecki
> 
>    Scribe
>           Mark Sadecki
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [3]Topics
>          1. [4]Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1
>          2. [5]23978
>          3. [6]23980
>          4. [7]23981
>          5. [8]23982
>          6. [9]23983
>          7. [10]23986
>          8. [11]23987
>          9. [12]Testing
>         10. [13]Next Meeting
>      * [14]Summary of Action Items
>      __________________________________________________________
> 
>    <trackbot> Date: 20 January 2014
> 
>    <scribe> Meeting: Canvas Accessibility Sub-Group Teleconference
> 
>    <scribe> scribe: Mark Sadecki
> 
>    <scribe> scribeNick: MarkS
> 
> Review, verify and close all open bugs for L1
> 
>    -> [15]http://j.mp/1hGWiDK Canvas 2d accessibility related CR
>    bugs
> 
>      [15] http://j.mp/1hGWiDK
> 
>    <JatinderMann>
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/
>    #dom-context-2d-drawfocusifneeded
> 
>      [16] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/html5_canvas_CR/#dom-context-2d-drawfocusifneeded
> 
> 23978
> 
>    -> [17]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23978
>    23978 Informing the user shouldn't be optional
> 
>      [17] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23978
> 
>    JMann: notice that we are still using the word "ring" a lot.
> 
>    RS: We could use the word outline instead?
> 
>    JMann: I like outline. Don't want to confuse the user by
>    referencing ring (the old method name)
> 
>    MS: I'll open a new bug on outline
> 
>    RS: I don't see anything about this being optional, so that is
>    good.
>    ... want to check on the scrolling part of this
> 
>    <JatinderMann> If the focus region is not on the screen, then
>    scroll the region into view when it receives focus.
> 
>    JMann: the last sentence of section 3
> 
>    RS: do we want it to be similar to scrollPathIntoView?
>    ... take a look at the L2 text
> 
>    <JatinderMann>
>    [18]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/master/
> 
>      [18] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/master/
> 
>    <richardschwerdtfeger> Scroll notional child into view with the
>    align to top flag set.
> 
>    <richardschwerdtfeger> vertical-align:text-top;
> 
>    JMann: scroll the region into view by aligning it to the top
> 
>    <JatinderMann> If the focus region is not on the screen, then
>    scroll the region into view by aligning it to the top when it
>    receives focus.
> 
>    <JatinderMann>
>    [19]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
> 
>      [19] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
> 
>    <JatinderMann> If the focus outline is not on the screen, then
>    scroll the focus outline into view by aligning it to the top
>    when it receives focus.
> 
>    JMann: I'll add a comment to 23978 regarding this note
>    ... I will close this but
> 
> 23980
> 
>    [20]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23980
> 
>      [20] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23980
> 
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html
> 
>      [21] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-html-a11y-minutes.html
> 
>    JMann, this one has been fixed, so I will leave a comment and
>    close it out.
> 
> 23981
> 
>    [22]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23981
> 
>      [22] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23981
> 
>    JMann: We agreed to WONTFIX this one
>    ... PLH agreed nothing needed to be done
> 
>    RS: so lets close this one
> 
>    <JatinderMann>
>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-html-a11y-minutes.html
> 
>      [23] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-html-a11y-minutes.html
> 
> 23982
> 
>    [24]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23982
> 
>      [24] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23982
> 
>    Focus Ring out of canvas
> 
>    <JatinderMann> The focus ring should not be subject to the
>    shadow effects, the global alpha, or the global composition
>    operators, but should be subject to the clipping region. (The
>    effect of transformations is described above and varies based
>    on which path is being used.) When the focus area is clipped by
>    the canvas element, only the visual representation of the focus
>    area is clipped to the clipping region. The full location of
>    the corresponding fallback el[CUT]
> 
>    <JatinderMann> When the focus area is clipped by the canvas
>    element, only the visual representation of the focus area is
>    clipped to the clipping region. The full location of the
>    corresponding fallback element is passed to the accessibility
>    API.
> 
>    JMann: if we change this to focus outline, will that close this
>    one?
> 
>    -> [25]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24340
>    Change reference to the phrases "focus ring" and "focus region"
>    to "focus outline"
> 
>      [25] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24340
> 
>    JMann: transformations will affect focus outlines. If I draw
>    one rectangular path doing an hour hand, my focus path will
>    continue rotate. Maybe we call it out, maybe not...
>    ... I think this needs more work
> 
>    RS: agreed
> 
>    JMann: Should be a MUST, not a SHOULD requirment
> 
>    RS: informing the user could mean calling the AAPI
> 
>    JMann: lets keep the change out of the note so its normative
> 
>    <richardschwerdtfeger> When informing the user of the of the
>    fallback element involves passing the location to a platform
>    accessibility api the location is not subject to clipping.
> 
>    JMann: i think i agree. We can move the sentence from 3 and put
>    it in 4
>    ... we want to say inform the user and that the location is not
>    subject to clipping
>    ... I'll work with Jay to clean this one up a bit
>    ... keep the first sentence in step 3 and the second sentence
>    in step 4
>    ... we'll figure something about the bracket section too
> 
> 23983
> 
>    [26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
> 
>      [26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23983
> 
>    Scrolling the focus into view
> 
>    JMann: I'll mark this one as assigned. I updated this one with
>    the feedback. Still working on it. Just need to add new text
> 
> 23986
> 
>    [27]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23986
> 
>      [27] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23986
> 
>    Current default path
> 
>    <JatinderMann> If the current path has zero subpaths, then
>    abort these steps.
> 
>    JMann: the first sentence.
> 
>    RS: this one is fixed
>    ... we can close this one
> 
>    JMann: OK, I closed it and left a comment
> 
> 23987
> 
>    [28]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23987
> 
>      [28] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23987
> 
>    Empty path and drawSystemFocusRing
> 
>    JMann: this one is tied to 23986. This one can also be closed.
>    ... left a comment and closed.
> 
>    JMann: after we make these two more spec changes, I'll
>    circulate to the list.
>    ... would like to get confirmation from dominic and apple that
>    they are happy with the new changes
> 
> Testing
> 
>    RS: one thing we can do for testing with the clipping one, take
>    the test I have checkboxes and make the canvas really small.
> 
>    MS: I'll write out all the testable statements so we at least
>    know what needs to be tested.
> 
>    MS: I can take a stab at writing some tests.
> 
> Next Meeting
> 
>    RS: lets stay in touch to see what comes out of the TF meeting
>    and any emails circulated to implementers to see if we need to
>    have a meeting next week.
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      __________________________________________________________
> 
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Mark Sadecki
Web Accessibility Engineer
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
Telephone: +1.617.715.4017
Email: mark@w3.org
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