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Minutes from HTMl-A11y telecon on 6 February

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:07:45 -0500
To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20140206170745.GE7446@concerto.rednote.net>
Minutes from the HTML-A11Y Task Force teleconference on 6 February are
provided below as text, and are available as hypertext at:

http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html


   W3C

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                                                                 HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

06 Feb 2014

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          janina, Mark_Sadecki, David_MacDonald, paulc, LJWatson, [IPcaller], chaals, Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, John_Foliot, Suzanne_Taylor, Adrian_Roselli,
          Cynthia_Shelly

   Regrets
   Chair
          Chaals

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

     * Topics
         1. longdesc status
         2. DOM4 is last call
         3. DOM4
         4. Canvas 2D
         5. Outstanding bugs
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

   <chaals> trackbot, start meeting

   <trackbot> Date: 06 February 2014

   <scribe> scribe: janina

longdesc status

   cn: Mark and C are working on it, making progress

   ms: I have a repository for docs setup for this task

   cn: Have been generous with late responses to date

DOM4 is last call

DOM4

   cn: Is a Last Call

   <chaals> JS: Discussed yesterday in PF (we had concerns relating to DOM3)

   <chaals> 
 so we need to carefully review DOM4 and we have several volunteer reviewers working for 26 feb deadline for PF to bring comments to this TF and the HTML WG

   <MarkS> JS: PF has discussed DOM 4 yesterday. We had concerns with DOM 3, so we thought it was worth our time. We have a deadline to review by 26 FEB and will bring
   feedback to this TF and the HTML WG.

   <chaals> 
 we expect some comments

   <chaals> 
 But we are pleased to say Mutation Events are in the process of being overtaken by IndieUI...

   pc: Notes that DOM4 was moved to HTML-WG because it's one of HTML's key dependencies
   ... We did ask for LC delay to compensate for publication delay

   rs: Is there plan to do DOM4 events spec?
   ... Noting there's DOM3 and DOM3 Events, but not a DOM4 Events, and the topic isn't covered in the DOM4 events

   cn: As I recall, DOM3 Events not based on DOM4
   ... Do expect DOM3 Events to be done in an HTML 5 timeline
   ... Best look at wiki status page

   <chaals> WebApps publication status for their specs

   pc: Noting Sec 4.1 of DOM4 is Events

   rs: Concerned that SVG not seeing sufficient structural support

   cn: Does sound like this is worth reviewing
   ... If the HTML-WG is needing an urgent resolution, that may not be forthcoming

   pc: Suggest look at 9.1
   ... Wondering whether all the necessary material has been folded into a single spec doc
   ... Why can't PF send comments directly?

   CN: Can. But, TF was set up to deal with a11y issues between PF and HTML

   <MarkS> JS: I'm comfortable to reply on list and to submit feedback to HTML and the TF, but the TF's need to review does add a need for additional time.

   <paulc> See http://www.w3.org/TR/dom/#goals for the provenance of the DOM4 material.

   pc: Suggest PF Chair respond to HTML Chairs on timeline constraints

   <chaals> CN: People in the TF are invited to review the spec as fast as possible

Canvas 2D

   ms: Noting feedback solicted week previous and were made aware of discussion on Mozilla regardingDrawFocusIfNeeded
   ... Issue was raised on our list
   ... Their question on our list caused Google to pull implementation support
   ... Call this week clarified that people weren't as concerned as it seemed on list
   ... Mozilla asked for an additional week to explore Hit Regions as an approach
   ... Case was strongly made for keeping the DrawFocus approach regardless
   ... And for the divion of labor between L1 and L2
   ... Expect feedback from Mozilla asap

   cn: So, we wait on Mozilla ...

Outstanding bugs

   <MarkS> http://is.gd/VkTxop

   <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511

   <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511

   <MarkS> document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs

   cn: Noted resolved, needs info.
   ... Comment was would be taken up by HTML Mappings Guide

   js: And move to 5.1

   pc: Suggest opening a new 5.1 bug, linking this one for history

   <MarkS> document parsing should discuss setting up accessibility APIs

   cn: Q is use cases for associating elements with different forms
   ... Currently assigned to Cyns, keep it?

   cs: Yes

   js: A 5.0 issue?

   cn: Yes, I think so

   cs: Agreed

   cn: Urge to catch this one fast

   <chaals> 13533

   <MarkS> 4.10.6 confusing, seemlingly contradictory text

   cn: Question description of label text
   ... Rejected by editor
   ... Any takers?
   ... Is 5.0

   cs: Will take

   <MarkS> Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs

   <MarkS> Bug 13560 - dynamic changes to input type attribute may cause problems for accessibilty APIs

   cn: Waiting on input

   cs: Many of these input issues handled in implementation experience and may be OBE

   cs; I will check for us

   <MarkS> Bug 13566 - use of input type image to send coordinates should be phased out

   cs: Will make new bugs for any remaining issues I find
   ... Suggest close

   cn: Can live with that
   ... Believe WCAG pretty clear on this
   ... That closes list that Cyns took
   ... Now looking at bugs JF took up

   <MarkS> Bug 8657 - Allow UA to reload fallback content if it fails to load

   <JF> will need to deila back in

   <JF> *dial

   <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 - says subsumbed by http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152

   jf: Believe closed

   <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9452 for references to all the related bugs

   pc: Suggests looking at Issue-152

   cn: Appears the issue has been dealt with

   <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794

   <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12794

   <MarkS> <video> Add a non-normative note on how to provide text alternatives for media elements

   jf: Relates to Poster textjs: Was added to ARIA.Next wishlist

   jb: Also convinced it's still an important issue

   jf: Happy to continue this with ARIA
   ... Shouts out to Rich about Poster alt in ARIA

   <MarkS> -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964 <video>: Declarative linking of full-text transcripts to video and audio elements

   jf: Issue that only way to link is something visible on screen, no programmatic association available currently

   <MarkS> +1 to move to 5.1

   <MarkS> Clarify text in media element user interface section

   jf: Don't understand this one
   ... Will follow up

   <chaals> ACTION: johnf to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Error finding 'johnf'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

   <chaals> ACTION: john to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Error finding 'john'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

   <JF> ACTION: JF to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Error finding 'JF'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

   <MarkS> Editorial changes to The Video element (5 of 5)

   <JF> ACTION: John_Foliot to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Error finding 'John_Foliot'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

   <chaals> ACTION: jf to follow up bugs 13435, 13436, 13437, [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Error finding 'jf'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.

   cn: Believe we want to keep this one

   <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13275

   <MarkS> Bug 13275 - Display of media control UI when scripting is disabled

   jf: Believe as much a browser as a spec bug

   <MarkS> ACTION: Mark to add JF to TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action06]

   <trackbot> 'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., msadecki, mwatson2).

   <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to add JF to TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action07]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Add jf to tf [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-02-13].

   <paulc> Leaving to Chair the Weekly WG meeting.

   jf: Notes many of these issues need to be held for 5.1 consideration

   <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13434

   <MarkS> Media element section does not state that tracks are to be synchronized with video

   jf: An editorial request

   cn: Believe we can close

   jf: Response was that detail handled elsewhere

   cyns: Volunteer to take up Kelly Ford's bug

   ms: Bug Triage will have special meeting next Wednesday to walk more bugs
   ... Wednesday 12 February at 13:00 Boston, 18:00Z

   <Zakim> MarkS, you wanted to mention special Bug Review meeting next wednesday 2/12

   cn: We are adjourned.

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: jf to follow up bugs 13435, 13436, 13437, [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: JF to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: john to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: John_Foliot to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: johnf to follow up https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Mark to add JF to TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: MarkS to add JF to TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action07]

   [End of minutes]
     _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Found Scribe: janina
Present: janina Mark_Sadecki David_MacDonald paulc LJWatson [IPcaller] chaals Judy Rich_Schwerdtfeger John_Foliot Suzanne_Taylor Adrian_Roselli Cynthia_Shelly
People with action items: jf john john_foliot johnf mark marks


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