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Re: Minutes from the TF teleconference on 16 May

From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:24:45 +0400
To: "HTML Accessibility Task Force" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
Message-ID: <op.ww8qrjdhy3oazb@chaals.local>
A few corrections that should be made. If anyone objects to these changes  
we can discuss them on the next meeting agenda (otherwise we will let the  
minutes as amended stand without formal confirmation, I suppose).

On Thu, 16 May 2013 19:56:47 +0400, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>  
wrote:

> Draft minutes from the HTML-A11Y Task Force teleconference of Thursday  
> 16 May are provided below as text, and are available as hypertext at:
>
> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html
>
>
>    W3C
>
>                                                                                    -  
> DRAFT -

As corrected, these no longer need to be draft minutes.


>    Present
>           MarkS, janina, [IPcaller], paulc, John_Foliot,  
> +1.619.846.aaaa, +7.926.113.aabb, chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald

remove the aabb number. It is me.

> Contents
>
>      * Topics
>          1. Identify Scribe
>          2. Outstanding text team bugs
>          3. text bugs
>          4. Identify Scribe
>          5. Outstanding text team bugs
>          6. Longdesc bugs  
> http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local
>          7. Longdesc Public Draft
>      * Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>    <chaals> trackbot, start meeting
>
>    <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
>
> Identify Scribe
>
>    <scribe> scribe: janina
>
> Outstanding text team bugs
>
> text bugs
>
>    ms: No Triage call this week
>
>    <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13449

remove up to...
>
> Identify Scribe
>
> Outstanding text team bugs
>
...here.


>    ms: Closed based on behavior of IE and FF
>
>    and expectation that gui browsers would do the right thing anyway
>
>    ms: suggests reopen
>
>    cn: Are there other opinions?
>    ... To discuss in Triage?
>
>    lw: Suggest TF decision
>
>    cn: Anyone else for reopening
>    ... Seems not. So we will leave it
>
>    <chaals> RESOLUTION: 13449 stays closed in the absence of a champion  
> to re-open.

s/<chaals>//

>    cn: Anyone noting one that should be closed? Or to discuss one of  
> these?
>    ... Noting crickets. Will continue to ping

s/Noting crickets./[no replies]/

> Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local
>
>    cn: Reviewing additional remaining bugs
>    ... First relates to adding an attribute to denote presence of a  
> longdesc
>
>    <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21987 -> add  
> attribute
>
>    cn: Propose 21987 to be closed

replace...
>    crickets
>
>    cn: So is closed
>    ... Next
...to here, with
RESOLUTION: 21987 is resolved - no change required

>    <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21894 -  
> define longdesc like cite instead of as a link
>
>    cn: Propose to leave as is
>    ... Will close this

insert
RESOLUTION: 21894 is resolved - no change required


>    <chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21988 -  
> update URL definition to a link that works
>
>    cn: An editorial issue propose closing
>    ... Will be closed

RESOLUTION: 21988 is resolved fixed

insert
[We also discussed bug 21781]
RESOLUTION: 21781 is resoolved - no change needed

>    pc: Wondering whether the longdesc spec supports the linkage the  
> allows direct filing from the spec
>
>    cn: Prefer not to
>
>    <chaals>  
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html  
> -> editor's draft
>
>    <paulc>  
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0097.html  
> Media TF request
>
>    <paulc> Media TF bug:  
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22062
>
>    pc: MSE about to go LC, and it is believed this assists that process
>    ... No opinion here, simply suggesting the consideration
>
>    cn: Don't believe we need it. It's a simple spec. We've cleared many  
> bugs already.
>    ... It raises a risk of expediting bugs that poorly considered
>    ... It's just quite easy to file bugs
>    ... Notes that many reading the html spec seem to click the button to  
> see what happens
>
>    pc: My only reason to raise is to get wide review
>    ... Is true that HTML editorial team always triaging these
>
>    cn: What do others think?
>
>    jf: See no reason for it, especially on this particular attribute.  
> We've researched and defended this so widely and completely
>
>    js: Agree to leave as is
>
>    cn: We'll leave as is
>    ... Turns out we need to nothing. The base element auto applies by  
> default
>    ... Implementations not necessarily good at this
>    ... Unclear this is realword as it's unclear anyone uses base plus  
> longdesc
>
> Longdesc Public Draft
>
>    cn: Proposing to publish as a stabilization draft
>    ... Call for consensus Monday
>    ... Tobe pub'd Tuesday
>    ... Idea is to fix anything remaining before we go LC
>
>    pc: Any working draft from the TF needs approval from HTML and PF
>
>    <paulc> MSE Pre-LC announcement:  
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html
>
>    pc: For MSE we point people to the editor's draft to avoid the formal  
> Stabilization
>
>    [discussion of timeline implications of the formal process]
>
>    cn: anticipate finishing in spring
>    ... Ah, it's the Aussie spring!
>    ... Is there objection to a Stabilization Draft publication now?

Replace...
>    RESOLUTION: The Task Force approves publication of a Stabilization  
> Draft for the HTML Image Description extension specification
...to here with:

[no objection raised to requesting Consensus for a new draft]
Topic: Other business

>    jf: Asking about a HTML spec walk through
>
>    cn: We need to raise either here or in Bug Triage
>
>    js: Decision here was to walk through in separate telecons to identify
>
>    cn: Ah, the chairs aren't in the same place on this, so need to  
> discuss in coordination
>    ... Any further input for the chairs on this topic?
>
>    pc: review what docs?
>
>    cn: Do essentially what the HTML-WG did with the spec docs
>
>    pc: We expect CFCs soon on some of this soon
>
>    cn: TF would check that it agrees with WG decisions specifically with  
> "does it produce a11y issues or not"
>
>    pc: Suggest determining the order of work and make it visible to the  
> WG
>
>    <paulc> Overview of testing in view of CR exit:  
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html
>
>    cn: Suggest TF chairs should figure this out with HTML Chairs
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Charles to set up coordination of spec review for  
> the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs [recorded in
>    http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
>
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Set up coordination of spec review  
> for the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs [on Charles McCathie Nevile -  
> due 2013-05-23].
>
>    <scribe> ACTION: Charles to insure that Leonie is looped into  
> action-181 [recorded in  
> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
>
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Insure that Leonie is looped into  
> action-181 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-05-23].
>
>    ms: Notes regrets for next Thursday
>
>    cn: Anyone else?
>    ... possibly me
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [NEW] ACTION: Charles to insure that Leonie is looped into action-181  
> [recorded in  
> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Charles to set up coordination of spec review for the  
> TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs [recorded in
>    http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
>
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Found Scribe: janina
> Present: MarkS janina [IPcaller] paulc John_Foliot +1.619.846.aaaa  
> +7.926.113.aabb chaals Cynthia_Shelly David_MacDonald
> People with action items: charles

cheers

Chaals


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