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Re: FW: longdesc extension question

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:15:37 +1000
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2k8mLLVaLYOgWqjtuF05K1DrOfUoaTUH0_Gk0X2=d7EPQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Cc: "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Isn't that functionality provided by aria-describedby ?
Silvia.



On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>wrote:

> Forwarding to HTML A11Y TF per Chaals's suggestion.
>
> Thanks,
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
> Adobe Systems
>
> akirkpat@adobe.com
> http://twitter.com/awkawk
> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCathie Nevile [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:00 AM
> To: Andrew Kirkpatrick
> Subject: Re: longdesc extension question
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> (this is a good question, and I would love to have it in public - feel
> free to forward my response...)
>
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 00:57:54 +0500, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Chaals,
> > I'm looking at the longdesc extension and also a couple of the WCAG
> > techniques and have a question.  It seems that a key problem with the
> > implementations of longdesc today (well, at least JAWS and NVDA) is
> > that when you activate the longdesc feature for an image they load the
> > page with the longdesc and start reading at the required place.  As
> > some people are advocating for same-page references or many longdesc
> > descriptions on a single separate page this is a problem because JAWS
> > and NVDA don't know where the longdesc stops, just where it starts. As
> > a result, a user listening to the longdesc for all three images in the
> > following example would hear information about "a" once, "b" twice,
> > and "c" three times.
> >
> > So the question is:  Is there anything in the spec that requires that
> > user agents read only the content contained within the HTML object
> > with the matching id reference?
>
> No, but there is a "should" requirement on authors:
>
> 'Authors should put descriptions within an element which is the target of
> a fragment link (e.g. longdesc="example.html#description") if a description
> is only part of the target document.'
>
> which is intended to allow for such behaviour.
>
> In general the spec tries to go lightly on requirements for user agents -
> it was somewhat controversial to require that they actually make the
> longdesc available to users in the first place ;(
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
> > Sample.html
> > <img alt="a" longdesc="descs.html#a">
> > <img alt="b" longdesc="descs.html#b">
> > <img alt="c" longdesc="descs.html#c">
> >
> > Descs.html
> > <div id="a"><p>This is my longdesc for a</p></div> <div id="b"><p>This
> > is my longdesc for b</p></div> <div id="c"><p>This is my longdesc for
> > c</p></div>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > AWK
> >
> > Andrew Kirkpatrick
> > Group Product Manager, Accessibility
> > Adobe Systems
> >
> > akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpatrick@adobe.com>
> > http://twitter.com/awkawk
> > http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
> >
>
>
> --
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>        chaals@yandex-team.ru         Find more at http://yandex.com
>
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