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RE: 48-Hour Consensus Call: InstateLongdesc CP Update

From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:32:27 -0700
To: "'Maciej Stachowiak'" <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: "'Joshue O Connor'" <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, "'Silvia Pfeiffer'" <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, "'Steve Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "'HTML Accessibility Task Force'" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <008f01cd952c$b4fc0f90$1ef42eb0$@ca>
Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> >
> > If that were only true Josh.  We've had a "solution" for this issue
> for over
> > a decade in the previous Specification, and have not seen any
> implementation
> > in browsers worth noting.
> Browser vendors generally make implementation decisions based on
> whether a feature seems likely to benefit end-users and content
> authors, not based on what is in what spec. Vendors are open to
> persuasion, of course.

Yep. See my response to Silvia.

> > It comes down to 2 paths forward as I see it: one is that we mandate
> > something that browsers will continue ignore, or we actively engage
> them in
> > crafting the solution, one that meets all of the user requirements.
> >
> > I think it's fairly obvious which I hope will be chosen - the "which
> group
> > dictates to the other" approach is not working. (I will also note in
> passing
> > that active listening is a requirement on BOTH parts)
> I think you are right about that. Unfortunately, the conversation still
> seems to be on mandate-or-no-mandate rather than engagement in crafting
> a solution.

I will be so bold as to suggest that the sticking point is over the
obsolescence of @longdesc. Remove the threat of that, and then the
discussion can turn to getting the real work done - members of the larger
accessibility community are both trying and appear open to that effort. In
my opinion however, until that irritant is addressed the dialog remains

To end a stare-down, somebody has to blink, it's that simple. If the
engineers truly want to work on a "better" solution, leave the "less better"
one in place until you have the better one solved. This has been the core of
the argument since day one.

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