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Re: My case for the obsoletion of longdesc (Was: 48-Hour Consensus Call: InstateLongdesc CP Update)

From: Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:50:55 +0100
Message-ID: <505592EF.3020505@cfit.ie>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
CC: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, w3c-wai-pf@w3.org
Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
> Charles McCathie Nevile, Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:53:50 +0200:
>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:29:48 +0200, James Craig wrote:
> James: I would suggest to combine @longdesc with iframe. See below.
> But first: May be, if link focus worked better in Safari, you would
> have taken another tone? ;-) Because, while a curb-cut is elegant, one
> should not love the curb-cuts so much that one produces wheelchairs
> that are incompatible with stair lifts. That would  seem very dumb.

I really don't think that was James point. One of the core principles of 
idea of UD is that there are solutions that can be used without 
specialist equipment that will work for a wide range of users with 
diverse abilities. Not that you need to design the AT to fit the 
proposed solution.

 > in that regard: It is OK to argue that something other than @longdesc
 > wold work better. However, due to bug 22261 - "Clicking on a non-text
 > input element does not give it focus",[1] Webkit and Chromium suffers
 > from the following: if one opens a longdesc link (e.g. with Webkit
 > based iCab)

With all due respect to iCab, I kinda wish people would stop referring 
to it as some kind of model of best practice. I don't know anyone who 
uses it, and (I'm not singling you out here Leif, it's just something 
that has been on my mind for a while) and just because it has some 
cludge for handling @longdesc - to me, that doesn't necessarily mean 
that this is a model of best practice. More so, not something we should 
hang our hat on as we try to engineer a solution for the use cases that 
@longdesc or its successor need to cover.

My 2 cents

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