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[Bug 18744] drop WAI-ARIA scope restriction in the text adopted in ISSUE-204

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:12:04 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18744

--- Comment #28 from Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com> 2012-09-11 07:12:01 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #26 and comment #27)
> I don't necessarily agree with that design pattern

This is something I expected authors to try, because authors have for years
tried to hide/show error messages for all modalities using "display: none".
This is one of the use-cases @irrelevant/@hidden was supposed to address, back
in the day.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2008Mar/0173.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2008Aug/0479.html

>, but there is a potential
> here to have a more explicit way for users to switch this explicitly for the
> example you describe.
> 
>   aria-hidden="true"
> 
> Hides from accessibility APIs no matter if the content is shown or hidden.

If an element with @aria-hidden=true is referenced by @aria-describedby it
still contributes to the computed accessible description.

http://www.w3.org/WAI.new/PF/aria/roles#namecalculation

http://www.w3.org/WAI.new/PF/aria/terms#def_hidden

Therefore it's not hidden from accessibility APIs … right?

The only way for the author to do what he was trying to do is add/remove the
referenced element from the DOM or to add/remove the id from @aria-describedby.

> think aria-hidden should override hidden="" in all cases, regardless of
> modality. The flipside applies, too: 
> 
>   <div hidden aria-hidden="false">…</div>
> 
> That is, specifically hidden from mainstream interfaces, but overridden so that
> that the structure is available in Accessibility APIs. 

That does seem to be what the main spec says:

http://www.w3.org/WAI.new/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-hidden

FWIW the text in the UA implementation guide seems to be saying "host language
semantics" like CSS "display: none" ("host language"? "semantics"?) win here
however:

http://www.w3.org/WAI.new/PF/aria-implementation/#exclude_elements2

> (Disclaimer: to my
> knowledge, no Users Agents currently expose hidden content this way.)

I'm surprised this wasn't cited as a "feature at risk".

PFWG will wait for implementations of that before letting it pass CR … right?

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