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Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF

From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:03:01 -0400
Message-ID: <507474E5.6000606@intertwingly.net>
To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
CC: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
On 10/09/2012 02:43 PM, Paul Cotton wrote:
> Ted
>
> Richard’s email below asks for an additional change related ISSUE-204.
> Can you reply and or let us know if you are planning to make the
> suggested change?

This is not related to issue 204, and Richard has now opened a separate bug:

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19405

> /paulc
>
> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329

- Sam Ruby

> *From:*Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:05 PM
> *To:* Edward O'Connor
> *Cc:* public-html-a11y@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>
> "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com <mailto:eoconnor@apple.com>> wrote
> on 10/02/2012 07:03:48 PM:
>
>> From: "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com <mailto:eoconnor@apple.com>>
>> To:public-html-a11y@w3.org <mailto:public-html-a11y@w3.org>,
>> Date: 10/02/2012 07:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF
>>
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>> > 1. We read this text and we don't believe this text was agreed upon by
>> > anyone and we have doubts this is enforceable[…]
>>
>> This text predates the ISSUE-204 discussion; in fact, it's been in the
>> spec since March 2010:
>>
>>http://html5.org/r/4846
>>
>> > From an accessibility perspective it does not really hurt us[…]
>>
>> OK. Given that, can you live with that paragraph it currently stands? If
>> not, would it help if the example were changed from screen readers to,
>> say, printers?
>>
> yes, if you were to change this to printers that would be excellent!
>
>> > 2. […] I don't have an issue with it[…]
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> > 4. This text refers to content being active but what is not clear is
>> > whether "active" hidden text would appear in the tab order. We don't
>> > believe that is the case but it needs to be stated somewhere.
>>
>> OK. Do you have suggested text to make that clear?
>
> Yes. I would suggest changing the following text:
>
> "Elements in a section hidden by the hidden
> <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> attribute
> are still active, e.g. scripts and form controls in such sections still
> execute and submit respectively. Only their presentation to the user
> changes."
>
> To:
> Elements in a section hidden by the hidden
> <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> attribute
> are still active, e.g. scripts and form controls in such sections still
> execute and submit respectively. Only their presentation to the user
> changes. Although active, content hidden by the hidden
> <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> attribute is
> not focusable and does not participate in sequential focus navigation.
>
>
>> > For example, what happens when you have <div tabindex="0" hidden>.
>> > Does the div appear in the tab order?
>>
>> Did you try that in browsers? What happened?
>>
>
> Yes, I tried it using Firefox and Chrome and both skipped the hidden
> div. Safari (Version 6.0.1 (7536.26.14)) on Mac OSX did not allow me to
> tab to any of the active elements whether they were visible or hidden. I
> am not sure why. hidden does not appear to work in IE9.0.8. Perhaps
> there is a mode I need to select.
>
> /(See attached file: hiddenactive.html)/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ted
>>
>
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