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Re: HTML-A11Y Task Force Consensus on Issue-204 (Updated)

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:37:18 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOavpvf=oRWcRcgRYtBe17FQaMpScQm4LQHccb96pYFskaWsKQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Cc: "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Frank Olivier <Frank.Olivier@microsoft.com>, "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
Hi Jonas,

> This seems inconsistent with the HTML a11y Task Force which previously
> promoted change proposals which had MUST requirements stating that
> only the flattened accessibility tree should be exposed.

The Protocols and Formats Working Group and the HTML Accessibility
Task Force have some overlapping members and topics but they are
different entities with different missions.

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force.html
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/charter201006

The Accessibility Task Force  cannot speak for the Protocols and
Formats Working Group and vice versa.

Best Regards,
Laura

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>> The WAI Protocols and Formats Working Group strongly objects to any RFC
>> 2119 normative requirements on WAI-ARIA markup in HTML Working Group
>> specifications. Normative WAI-ARIA requirements are the chartered
>> responsibility of PF-WG and are out of scope for HTML-WG.  In other
>> words, "might" or "may" statements are acceptable, but "should" and
>> "must" statements are not.
>
> This seems inconsistent with the HTML a11y Task Force which previously
> promoted change proposals which had MUST requirements stating that
> only the flattened accessibility tree should be exposed.
>
>> Please note that PF-WG is not now objecting to, nor expressing a
>> judgement of the technical merit of the proposed language.  Rather, it
>> simply avers that the appropriate PF-WG locus of normative WAI-ARIA
>> requirements on user agents is its forthcoming publication, "WAI-ARIA
>> User Agent Implementation Guide (UAIG)."
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/
>>
>> Comments on the UAIG are welcome. Indeed, a (second) Last Call
>> announcement for the UAIG is expected in a few weeks.
>>
>> Moreover, while the UAIG is a PF-WG publication, it is a named
>> deliverable of the joint PF-WG and HTML-WG  WAI-ARIA User Agent
>> Implementation Task Force
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-ua-task-force
>>
>> HTML-WG members are now, and have always been, most welcome to work with
>> PF-WG members on perfecting this document.
>
> Does this mean that the UAIG is going to have normative statements
> regarding how the HTML5 @hidden attribute interacts with
> aria-describedby? The interaction needs to be defined somewhere.
>
> / Jonas
>



-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Thursday, 31 May 2012 12:37:53 GMT

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