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Text Subteam Minutes for 8 May

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:25:51 -0400
To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20120508212550.GA3945@sonata.rednote.net>
Minutes for the HTML-A11Y Task Force Text Subteam teleconference of 8
May are provided below as text and are available as hypertext at:



                                                           - DRAFT -

                                             HTML-A11Y Text Alternatives Sub-Group

08 May 2012

   See also: IRC log


          John_Foliot, judy, David_MacDonald, Laura_Carlson, Janina




     * Topics
         1. Issue 31c: "Generator Exception" Transmitted to H5CCs
         2. Issue 194 Update, Video Transcript: deadline is Friday 11 May
         3. Issue 204 Developments, ARIA Hidden:
         4. Issue 31b, Buggy Alts & Guidance: next steps
     * Summary of Action Items

   Hi... phone says conference restricted... it's 2119 Right?

   <scribe> scribe: David

Issue 31c: "Generator Exception" Transmitted to H5CCs http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/Issue31cMetaGenerator

   H5CCs have not read 31c yet; we expect to hear back by next monday

   JB: expect reopen or feedback on proposal, not an explanation why they are not reopening

Issue 194 Update, Video Transcript: deadline is Friday 11 May

   <JF> Issue 194?

   Janina, discussion at face to face

   jf: F to F discussion, no debate that it is a requirement. some concern about @transcript, kind of a proxy for LONGDESC
   almost... convinced them that the no change proposal is unacceptable. .. but could discuss other solutions. .. maybe go
   the direction off IDREF... JF things it might be clunky... will explore expanding traack

   to include @kind Transcript

   same contextual menu already used in Subtitle and caption... many people liked it... contextual menu open to all users,
   no onscreen encombrance like a 'D' link... some argement that there should be a link on the page... JF will write it
   up... will ping sean hayes,

   possible that transcripts could use timestamps but expect documents

   <JF> @kind="metadata" is not defined to take time-stamped files

   Janina, I think Cynthia described timed experimenting already happening. ...

   jf: feels greater that metadata does not require timed data

   janina, expect the case where there is none and where there is timestamps.

Issue 204 Developments, ARIA Hidden:

   much progress. .. so chairs suggested we get into 204 ...

   heard chairs say that change restricted UAs development in the future

   Janina: could we not change it.... APPLE think they could build DewcribedBY with semantics etc

   we should not restrict them

   jf: we removed restriction on browsers, general consensus that we should not do that
   ... useful for authors to hide bits of text offscreen it's when hiding lots of it.... RFC2119 says should exist good
   reason for ignoring content
   ... so this is the best advice we can give

   <laura> John, thank you for disentangling the proposed the draft revisions from the accessibilty task force concensus
   change proposal.

   jf: this is the best win we can get... we got together and felt it was good, ted, o'conner, JF, and cynthia, didn't
   save as version of a there ...

   <laura> It seems that we lost two important items: 1. Benjamin's example. and 2. Johns's note regarding length of

   laura: we lost Benjamen's example, and length of text

   JF: soe comments that this is more authoring guidance

   <laura> example:<input id=f type=checkbox checked>

   <laura> <label hidden for=f>

   <laura> I do <strong>not</strong> want to receive marketing materials.

   <laura> </label>

   jf: most authors won't go through HTML 5 for accessibility guidance, most will go to WCAG
   ... when we left the room Friday, we had a good quarum, and amicable resolution on 204
   ... we have conformance issues such as not using headings, links, etc...

   so 204 should affect 30

   laura: concern that it will compromise 30

   janina: describedby is not on the table, anymore for long or structured text, so Longdesc will be the only answer

   <Zakim> JF, you wanted to say that this is not what is being said (lack of support)

   I think new language puts us in a good place

   jf: fruitful progress

   jb: have these explanations helped address concerns Laura?
   ... i'm finding explanations satisfactory?

   Laura: yes they address my concerns so far, I haven't read the document in detail

   jf: we extracted a few things, and have that captured, I can send that to you... we removed two paragraphs and code

   janina: can you send that to the list

   I cleaned up my spelling and grammar

   in the issue, but nothing else

   jf: leif added a border, mathew fixed a link. ... minor changes

   janina: can we have a 48 hour (or 72 hr) consensus email

   later this week

   <JF> I will send out an email to the list that outlines the changes we made to the V3 edits

   <JF> essentially removing the statements that browsers shouldn't create accessible objects, the addition of RFC 2119
   SHOULD NOT language, and the removal of the code example

   resolution: johnwill put out list changes Version 2 to 3, a 48 hour consensus email.

Issue 31b, Buggy Alts & Guidance: next steps

   <laura> I have to drop off the call now

   Janina, good summary of issues that David has presented...

   we should tag in a table... a column... remaining columns to pointers... anchor refs... to keep the start statements...
   we have a list of bugs for ones that were never filed...

Summary of Action Items

   [End of minutes]

Found Scribe: David
Inddferring ScribeNick: David
ddDefault Present: John_Foliot, judy, David_MacDonald, Laura_Carlson, Janina
Present: John_Foliot judy David_MacDonald Laura_Carlson Janina


Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200

Chair, Open Accessibility	janina@a11y.org	
Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org

Chair, Protocols & Formats
Web Accessibility Initiative	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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