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Re: Promise broken on ISSUE 204?

From: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:11:21 -0400
Message-Id: <E1SRSR8-00037e-Oa@maggie.w3.org>
To: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>,"John Foliot" <john@foliot.ca>
Cc: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>,Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>,Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
Hi Laura,

My understanding from Janina, who was at the HTML WG face-to-face 
meeting in Mountain View last week where this issue was under 
discussion, is that the potential changes to Cynthia's change 
proposal on Issue 204 were to be made not on Cynthia's change 
proposal as last stabilized on April 25th, but rather to a new 
version at a new URI. Looking at this with Janina at the moment, it 
appears that the changes were made to the existing CP from Cynthia, 
which was not the intent.

The reason for putting these in a new proposal was so these proposed 
changes, which seem to show a possible path for reducing the existing 
change proposals on Issue 204 down to one (thus allowing the 
discussion to move back to other things), could be considered at the 
Text Subteam meeting this Tuesday and then at the Accessibility Task 
Force meeting this Thursday. We hope that you can take part in some 
part of those phone discussions. In the meantime we'll see if John 
can move the proposed changes to another URI as agreed.

- Judy


At 12:21 PM 5/7/2012 -0500, Laura Carlson wrote:
>Hi Judy, Cynthia, Benjamin, HTML Chairs and all,
>
>In last weeks accessibility task force text team meeting I asked [1]
>if Cynthia's Issue 204 change proposal  was  stabilized and that no
>further changes were to be made. Judy, you assured me that:
>
> > judy: Given that it's formally transmitted, yes. It signals the H5 CCs
> > to move toward a WBS
> > ... Also suggest letting Cynthia know to forestall any further editing
>
>Because of this commitment that Cynthia's document was (a) stabilized,
>(b) no further changes were to be made and (c) a HTMLWG survey on  her
>stabilized text was imminent, I said that I would withdraw and not
>work further on my 204 proposal [2]. Today, I am sorry to find out
>that on Friday substantial edits were made to Cynthia's document [3].
>
>Judy, I request that the changes on Cynthia's document be reverted as
>this betrays our understanding and would void our agreement. If the
>changes are not reverted I may be forced to revert my CP withdrawal
>and pursue my document further.
>
>Benjamin, if people are again working on proposals, perhaps you will
>have enough time and your proposal [4] can be considered.
>
>Best regards,
>Laura
>
>[1] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/01-text-minutes.html#item03
>[2] 
>http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=ChangeProposals/CorrectHidden&oldid=12902
>[3] 
>http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v2&diff=12918&oldid=12821
>[4] 
>http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/DisallowARIAReferencesToHiddenElements
>
>--
>Laura L. Carlson
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