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Re: [Bug 13651] Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length.

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:32:38 -0500
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, "rubys@intertwingly.net" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "judy@w3.org" <judy@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20120114233238.GB5993@sonata.rednote.net>
Steven Faulkner writes:
> Hi paul,
> 
> thin ti should be
> 
> >> over 50 words in length.
> 
Yes, My apologies for chopping the word off.

Janina

> On 14 January 2012 15:18, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> over 50 words in le
> >
> > Janina:  The ending of your suggested title does not look correct.  Could you fix this?
> >
> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net]
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:22 PM
> > To: John Foliot
> > Cc: 'Michael Cooper'; Paul Cotton; rubys@intertwingly.net; Maciej Stachowiak; public-html-a11y@w3.org; judy@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: [Bug 13651] Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length.
> >
> > There were several particulars addressed by the Chairs in the Issue 31 decision. The Task Force is not in disagreement with all of the decision, just with a couple points. So, I would think reopening
> > Issue-31 would be excessive here since the objective is to refine one particular aspect of that decision.
> >
> >
> > Suggested Title: Missing alt should not be considered conforming in  the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in le
> >
> > Suggested Summary: While clearly arbitrary as to the particular number of words, fig-captions of greater length are reliably not acceptable alternatives for missing alt, where fig-captions of but a few words generally are.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > John Foliot writes:
> >> All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I concur with Michael – this is a text alternatives related bug, and one that Janina and Judy have been working on. It does appear to be linked to Bug 8171, for which Michael has requested clarification on process–wise from the Chairs: to whit, is there sufficient evidence to re-open Issue 31 or should a new Issue be put forward.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Should it be the later (new Issue) then I wish to formally request a 18 hour extension of the deadline from 23:59 Boston on Jan 13. To 17:59 Boston on Jan. 14th, or 18 hours after a response from the Chairs, which ever comes last to allow us to properly submit a Tracker Issue. Michael, I can assist here if required – please advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Michael Cooper [mailto:cooper@w3.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:41 PM
> >> To: Paul Cotton
> >> Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Bug 13651] Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll have to leave it to someone (John?) to answer the meaning of the
> >> TrackerRequest keyword on this bug. The activity of the Bug Triage
> >> team was to make a TrackerRequest on 8171 and link this bug to that,
> >> according to the process we discussed yesterday to associate multiple
> >> bugs with a few issue escalations. The existing TrackerRequest on this
> >> bug was not part of our triaging. I personally think the dependency of
> >> this bug on 8171 is sufficient to capture the issue and this bug does
> >> not need escalating separately. But if others feel differently I'll
> >> let them sort out the tracker issue wording. Michael
> >>
> >> Paul Cotton wrote:
> >>
> >> Could someone please clarify how this TrackerRequest should be handled?
> >>
> >> In particular it would be useful if someone could answer Sam's
> >> questions in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651#c15
> >>
> >> If this is indeed related to the Issue being created for bug 8171, is this a separate issue or the same issue?
> >>
> >> /paulc
> >>
> >> Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
> >> 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
> >> Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bugzilla@jessica.w3.org [mailto:bugzilla@jessica.w3.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:39 PM
> >> To: public-html-a11y@w3.org
> >> Subject: [Bug 13651] Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length.
> >>
> >> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651
> >>
> >> Michael Cooper  <mailto:cooper@w3.org> <cooper@w3.org> changed:
> >>
> >>            What    |Removed                     |Added
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>          Depends on|                            |8171
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Michael Cooper
> >> Web Accessibility Specialist
> >> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative E-mail
> >> cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org> Information Page
> >> <http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>
> >>
> >
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> >
> > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> with regards
> 
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
> 
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