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Re: Updated ISSUE-206 CP

From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:05:14 +0200
To: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>, public-html@w3.org, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20120822200514127034.e5a79ecb@xn--mlform-iua.no>
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis, Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:25:48 +0100:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Leif Halvard Silli:
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis, Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:12:13 +0100:
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>>>> Perhaps Ted and Laura would like to update their proposals with same
>>>> thing? Namely ask generators to not only add the new attribute but also
>>>> add the key content mark in the @title?
>>> Today's AT allows users to configure whether they do or do not want
>>> images without provided alternate text announced. I don't think we
>>> should be trying to override user configuration …
>> 3 questions:
>> 1. So do AT in general treat @title and @alt as one and the same thing
>> when it comes to that configuration? (To test whether it has any
>> impact, one may use this page, which is what I used when writing the
>> CP: http://malform.no/testing/html5/img-role-vs-alt/ )

So I still don't know the answer to this.

>> 2. What if such an image contains @aria-label?
> What difference does it make? The images in question aren't likely to
> have @aria-label.

Well, of course, one may focus solely on "the images in question" ...

>> 3. Does it really hurt if they are unable to no disable announcement of
>> images that are key content?
> Screen reader users sometimes complain about verbosity and they use
> configuration to tailor the verbosity of output to suit, so yes.
> AT vendors don't add these features just for the sake of it. ;)

Of course not. There are very many presentational images without @alt.

However, for 'the images in question', a generator should have 
relatively good control over whether the images *are* key content. 
Hence, I don't share the view that it is necessary to make sure that AT 
user can disable being told about them.
leif halvard silli
Received on Wednesday, 22 August 2012 18:05:53 UTC

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