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Re: FORMAL OBJECTION (was RE: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-204 aria-hidden)

From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:38:00 +0100
Message-ID: <CAEhSh3dwPeHJNJAcy+F-1y=Rc9SmcgKagSVcYizUPqwxsCyQHA@mail.gmail.com>
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Cc: David Singer <singer@apple.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, public-html@w3.org, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
<bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:18 PM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote:
>>> > How do *you* think a Deaf person might access such descriptions that
>>> are @hidden but "conforming"?
>>> If they wanted to access them, I'd expect them to use a user agent
>>> with a mechanism for exposing them.
>>> The challenge of universal access to hidden descriptions is not
>>> specific to descriptions that have structure or interactivity. Yet
>>> ARIA blesses hidden descriptions and accordingly so do both CPs.
>> See, right there, this is where I believe you are misunderstanding ARIA.
>> ARIA "blesses" nothing
> What I mean by "blesses" is such usage is not merely conforming by
> omission but explicitly suggested.
> Long descriptions for images:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#kbd_layout_remaining_description
> Structured and interactive content:
> "aria-describedby may reference structured or interactive information
> where users would want to be able to navigate to different sections of
> content. User agents MAY provide a way for the user to navigate to
> structured information referenced by aria-describedby and assistive
> technology SHOULD provide such a method."
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_relations_reverse_relations

Oh - and how could I forget - from the most canonical definition of
the property there is:

" a description is intended to provide more verbose information …
Include ID references to multiple elements if necessary, or enclose a
set of elements (e.g., paragraphs) with the element referenced by the


Not only mere multiple _sentences_ but multiple _paragraphs_!

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Received on Thursday, 16 August 2012 09:38:48 UTC

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