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Re: 48-Hour Consensus Call: Issue-204 Change Proposal

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:57:48 -0400
To: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20120426065748.GA5075@sonata.rednote.net>
Wow, this is quite a list of concerns. We will do our best to consider
these during our TF teleconference. However, I'm eager to tell you that
we'd far rather discuss your concerns with you present. Any chance you
can join the teleconference?

Janina

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis writes:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> > Colleagues:
> >
> > On 26 April next the HTML-A11Y Task Force teleconference meeting
> > will consider consensus support of the Issue-204 Change Proposal at:
> > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v2
> >
> > As usual, if there is objection in the Task Force to such a consensus
> > position, please respond by replying to this message no later than close
> > of business, Boston Time, on Friday 27 April.
> 
> Yes, I object to a CP that makes it conforming to hide labels and
> short descriptions with @hidden, as I don't believe a persuasive case
> has been made that this helps users or authors. In fact, not one
> example has been produced that anyone claims wouldn't be better
> addressed with a label or description capable of being made visible by
> changing user agent preferences.
> 
> In addition, even if I agreed that hiding labels and short
> descriptions with @hidden should be made conforming, I'd have to
> object on details of the proposed spec text as it currently stands,
> including:
> 
>    * It contradicts normative requirements of the HTML specification,
> e.g. with respect to what happens when a link to hidden content is
> navigated.
> 
>    * It contradicts normative requirements of the WAI-ARIA
> specification, e.g. with respect to how accessible names and
> descriptions are calculated.
> 
>    * It fails to specify what user agents should do when @hidden and
> @aria-hidden="true" are set on an element.
> 
>    * It introduces new conformance requirements about not using
> @hidden for structured content with vague and confusing language.
> 
> Even if I had no problems with the spec text, I'd be inclined to
> object on the basis of the rationale. I think it's important to
> provide the wider working group with persuasive rationales in our
> Change Proposals, but the examples provided do not have good usability
> characteristics for users or maintainability characteristics for
> authors, and so they undermine the rationale.
> 
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

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