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Re: HTML5 implementor feedback requested - title attribute accessibility mapping

From: david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:46:29 -0500
Message-ID: <CAEO7jQDFPU8WPaTYahhN7b8jJatC6R68Nj6-eRdLxwbha=3xiw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>, "L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>
I don't expect we (Mozilla) will stop using the title attribute value as a
last resort in attempting to provide an accessible name, that would regress

My opinion.


On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Adrian, Maciej, Anne and David
> (note: if there is a more approriate implementor representative this
> email should go to please advise)
> Your feedback on this would be appreciated.
> The title attribute as implemented (in all browsers that implement
> accessibility support) is mapped to the accessible name in all
> accessibility APIs in all browsers (that implement mapping), so in the
> absence of other labelling mechanisms, all HTML form controls are
> labelled by the title attribute content if present. The same goes for
> most other HTML elements. This reality is not reflected in the usage
> advice in the spec.
> There is a WCAG technique that documents how to use the title
> attribute to label controls: H65: Using the title attribute to
> identify form controls when the label element cannot be used
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H65
> There is another WCAG 2.0 technique that documents how to use the
> title attribute to identify frame and iframe elements
> H64: Using the title attribute of the frame and iframe elements
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H64.html
> The HTML5 specification does not provide any advice on how the title
> attribute content is used (as detailed above).
> I filed a bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14740
> the rationale provided by the HTML5 editor for its rejection:
> "Rationale: If browsers map it in a manner inconsistent with its meaning,
> that
> should be fixed."
> Do any implementors have any plans to change the current
> implementation in browsers to match the HTML5 specification meaning?
> i.e. are there any plans to stop mapping the title attribute to the
> accessible name in accessibility APIs? So that it does not provide a
> label for controls and other elements?
> with regards
> Stevef
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