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Text Subteam Minutes for Monday 15 August

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:05:44 -0400
To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20110815170544.GC27440@sonata.rednote.net>
Minutes from the HTML-A11Y Task Force Text Subteam teleconference on
Monday 15 August are provided below in text and are aslo available as
hypertext at:



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                                      HTML A11Y Text Alternatives Sub-Group Teleconference

15 Aug 2011

   See also: [2]IRC log


          Judy, Janina, John_Foliot, Lynn_Holsworth




     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]response to Jonas on longdesc
         2. [5]meta generator proposal
         3. [6]table summary http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary
         4. [7]fig caption http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651
         5. [8]consensus policy input http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures
     * [9]Summary of Action Items

   <JF> is it here or on html-a11y?

   <scribe> scribe: janina

response to Jonas on longdesc

   Judy: Believe JF is still editing a response
   ... It's now timely to take this up

   JF: High on my priorities this week, behind proposal for Web TV workshop in Hollywood
   ... Believe primarily reordering and tightening up

   Judy: Want to come back to whether this is specific to this issue or a general response on these kinds of issues
   ... Modular may be more useful in the latter case
   ... We got conflicting guidance from two Chairs in two meetings
   ... Still think referencable docs are useful going forward

   JF: Modularizing would be OK, not much extra time

   Judy: Modularized works for me, not sure what we should call them, not white paper ...

   Janina: Suggesting an agreed name/handle is important

   Judy: "Note" would be good, but it's a W3C reserved word
   ... We can decide by next week

   s/can't/ /

   JF: Goal is to get this done by Friday when I leave for vacation

meta generator proposal

   <JF> [10]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name=generator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming

   Janina, suggest we repost to the list asking people to review whether ready to forward to Chairs

   JF: I like the proposal, agree with process

   Group suggesting to check with Steve first

   Clarification that we need to repost to TF list with Monday deadline as ready for review

table summary [11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Category:Table_Summary

   Judy: Monday then up to Thursday TF call

   Janina, same state ...

   Judy: Great

   Janina will reforward

fig caption [12]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13651

   has 'resolved, won't fix' status

   Judy: Question raised re wouldn't it be simpler to require alt? We need to be conservative

   JF: Debate is how much is too much
   ... We need a CP and to go through the process

   Judy: Want to recheck possible association with one other issue ...
   ... It was mentioned fig-caption not yet supported in AT

   JF; My understanding is that all new HTML5 elements are treated as divs

   JF: by old browsers
   ... We probably need a WCAG technique with aria-describedby via id
   ... Will be an issue certainly
   ... suggest steve's html5accessibility.com is a good starting point for AT vendor discussion
   ... All this requires browsers do something, and we only have two html5 parsers so far, I believe
   ... Propose our next step on fig-caption is a cp

   discussion of how to approach discussion

   JF: Suggesting canvasing alternate media producers re how many words max for alt

   Judy: Also a WCAG discussion
   ... This approach looks at conformance, we might perhaps look again at the warning approach
   ... Increasingly in scientific publications, fig-caption not on main page, but in a popup after you select the

   <Judy> judy: but the publishing conventions are not consistent

consensus policy input [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/consensus-procedures

   discussion on how to restate based on experience

   Janina encouraged to draft an updated consensus for discussion

Summary of Action Items

   [End of minutes]

Found Scribe: janina
Present: Judy Janina John_Foliot Lynn_Holsworth


Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200

Chair, Open Accessibility	janina@a11y.org	
Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org

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Web Accessibility Initiative	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
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