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RE: text track associations

From: Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:22:49 +0000
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
CC: David Singer <singer@apple.com>, Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>, EricCarlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
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My point is that it is not a special case. I'm open to ideas, but I'm not going to settle for one that makes the accessible solution harder, or even different than the non-accessible one. To get people to do accessibility we need the API's to match, either do both in script - which actually seems the easier solution right now; or invent markup so that it's easy to do the right thing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 April 2011 00:51
To: Sean Hayes
Cc: David Singer; Mark Watson; EricCarlson; Ian Hickson; public-html-a11y@w3.org
Subject: Re: text track associations

Don't throw out the whole idea just because a special case cannot be accommodated.

I have been wondering though if maybe audio should be treated differently from video in a way similar to text tracks since audio has no visual presentation of it's own...

Silvia.

On 10/04/2011, at 12:41 AM, Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com> wrote:

> If markup for linked audio can't have its captions associated in markup as simply as linking the audio, then the solution is IMO broken and unacceptable. There really aren't many scenarios for linked audio where authors don't need to be able to say, 'these captions go with that audio'. If this isn't built in, it's basically not going to get done; and I think we should actually abandon the idea of linking media resources in markup and have the author do it all in script.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 09 April 2011 11:22
> To: Sean Hayes
> Cc: David Singer; Mark Watson; Eric Carlson; Ian Hickson; public-html-a11y@w3.org
> Subject: Re: text track associations
> 
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Yes they will share a timeline once they are glued together, that's only one of the issues here. They will also need to share a display space. I want to see how this example would be marked up using the 'controller' model. Do I put the director captions inside the <audio> that is the director commentary? If so, how do they show up in the other video space. If not, what information does the UA use to associate the second caption track with the remote audio element?
>> 
>> For example:
>> <video id=vid mediagroup=set src=mainvideo.vid >
>>    <track kind=captions id=main>
>> </video>
>> 
>> <audio mediagroup=set src=director.aud >
>>    <track kind=captions id=director>
>> </audio>
>> 
>> how do captions.director end up getting displayed in video.vid?
>> 
> 
> As it stands right now, in this example, the captions in the audio
> track are not displayed, so have to be mapped onto the screen through
> the JavaScript API. So, you can create a display area that matches
> where you want to place them and you can make it replace the main
> captions. This is acceptable for complex situation, IMHO.
> 
> However, we have a similar issue with captions for audio description
> tracks, which should probably be more commonly displayed as an
> alternative or addition to the normal captions. I'd probably encourage
> the Web author to add that in another track with the full transcript
> of both the captions and audio descriptions as you did in the example
> below:
> 
> 
> 
>> Alternately if I do:
>> <video id=vid mediagroup=set src=mainvideo.vid >
>>    <track kind=captions id=main>
>>    <track kind=captions id=director>
>> </video>
>> 
>> <audio mediagroup=set src=director.aud >
>> </audio>
>> 
>> Then how do I prevent the director captions being offered as an option for the ordinary video until the second audio is selected?
> 
> In the case of the director's track, I'd probably prefer the above
> markup. For audio descriptions probably this one and then it's fine
> when both the captions and audio descriptions are displayed because
> they would occupy different times anyway.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
> 
Received on Sunday, 10 April 2011 10:23:24 UTC

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