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Re: disposition of ISSUE 30 cited in bug 10967 insufficient

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:55:53 -0600
Message-ID: <AANLkTimT1OQCzPbbZGMxhat_2UfAwikTVCFD6Xuv5+dx@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com
Cc: public-html-a11y@w3.org, janina@rednote.net, mike@w3.org, rubys@intertwingly.net, mjs@apple.com, shelleyp@burningbird.net
Hi Gregory and Paul,

Gregory, Thanks for this email.

Paul, is your bug resolution of WONTFIX in effect telling us is that
formal objections are now the only recourse?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Laura

On 11/30/10, Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net> wrote:
> aloha, paul!
>
> i'm emailing this rather than adding to the specific bug you commented
> upon because the comment contained in the forwarded bug report below to be
> extremely misleading, for in making longdesc obsolete, the chairs
> left HTML5 without a verbose description mechanism, which does NOT
> address the underlying problem -- that HTML5 lacks a native means of
> providing verbose descriptors and that before a feature which was
> added to HTML4 expressly to enhance the accessibility of the web, which
> is an issue FAR larger than any single bug, and an issue which MUST be
> redressed before HTML5 can advance...
>
> in commenting on bug 10967, paul wrote, on behalf of the HTML WG chairs:
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message -----------
> From: bugzilla@jessica.w3.org
> To: public-html-a11y@w3.org
> Sent: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:05:59 +0000
> Subject: [Bug 10967] Add @desclink, a description link attr. for any
> embedded  element + figure
>
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10967
>
> Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> changed:
>
>            What    |Removed                     |Added
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>            Keywords|                            |WGDecision
>              Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
>          Resolution|                            |WONTFIX
>
> --- Comment #8 from Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com> 2010-11-30
> 20:05:58 UTC ---
> This bug is directly related to Issue-30:
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
>
> The HTML WG co-chairs believe that this bug has been addressed by the WG's
> decision on ISSUE-30.
>
> /paulc
> on behalf of the HTML WG co-chairs
> UNQUOTE
>
> this is factually incorrect -- yes, the chairs decided not to use
> longdesc as a verbose descriptor for HTML5, but the chairs did NOT
> suggest a substitute or improved mechanism for providing a verbose
> descriptor mechanism for HTML5
>
> if QUOTE The HTML WG co-chairs believe that this bug has been addressed
> by the WG's decision on ISSUE-30. UNQUOTE then they are sadly mistaken,
> as there still exists a gaping hole in HTML5 that was plugged by
> LONGDESC in HTML4 -- requirements for a verbose descriptor mechanism for
> HTML5 has been logged as a bug and has been identified by the HTML
> A11y TF bug-triage team as a priority, for in their disposition of
> ISSUE 30, the HTML WG chairs failed to address the missing functionality
> in HTML5 due to the removal of LONGDESC
>
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10853
>
> a fuller exploration of the issue and its potential solutions, plus
> use cases, research etc. can be found at:
>
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Verbose_desc_reqs
>
> from which bug 10853 was excerpted
>
> the failure of the HTML WG chairs to suggest or solicit a replacement
> for LONGDESC has already been the foundation of at least 2 notices of
> formal objections, and is a MAJOR issue blocking HTML5's progress to
> Last Call -- could the chairs PLEASE stop simply citing their
> decision on ISSUE 30 as "the final word", since it clearly is not
> the final word on the issue of providing verbose descriptor since
> such a mechanism is no longer part of HTML5 as per the chairs'
> decision on ISSUE 30
>
> thank you, gregory.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of
> focus.                                           -- Mark Twain
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Gregory J. Rosmaita: oedipus@hicom.net
>    Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/
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> --------------------------------------------------------------


-- 
Laura L. Carlson
Received on Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:56:33 GMT

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