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Re: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:47:54 +1100
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVNVaNX9RK7k1P6M3x67gNiOxvpYZxgSvX3uvb@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Cc: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Mike Smith <mike@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
I just checked and the media subgroup minutes seem to be complete now.
Cheers,
Silvia.


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org> wrote:
> As far as I can tell the problem in the minutes comes only from that the
> media meeting time spanned 00:00 UTC, and the agent separated the log by
> date at that point. I have shifted the log contents around based on meeting
> instead of date and regenerated the minutes for both meetings:
>
> Media 17 November: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html
> Task Force 18 November: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html
>
> There was also concern that some content was missing that was not explained
> by the meeting time / date rollover, but I checked and didn't find anything
> to make me conclude that. If in the above minutes significant chunks of
> content still seem to be missing, let me know and I'll look again. Some
> clues about what you think is missing would be helpful.
>
> To avoid this problem in the future, you can issue the command "rrsagent, do
> not start a new log" if you know your meeting spans midnight UTC. For the
> media team, it might be good to get in that habit as I think the call time
> routinely spans the magic moment, now that we're back on Standard Time.
> Anybody can issue this command though normally it's a chair, team contact,
> or scribe who would do so. If everybody forgets, it is possible to
> reconstruct the minutes offline as I just did, just more hassle. ;)
>
> Michael
>
> Judy Brewer wrote:
>
> Just an update that we're partway through a reconstruction of the media
> subteam minutes from multiple buffers and logs.
>
> The midnight rollover on ERCIM servers may be part of the reason that the
> minutes generation was truncated; also the rolled-over portion then
> overlapped with another accessibility task force subteam meeting. It looks
> like it may all be recoverable, just needs to be pieced back together and
> cleaned up from raw irc so it's readable.
>
> We're pulling together what I'm hoping is the full raw log, and Michael
> Cooper is taking a turn at generating something more readable from that. In
> case anyone is particularly eager in the meantime, most of the content
> should be available through these two logs, noting that the Nov 18th one
> also runs into another meeting:
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-irc
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-irc
> Therefore also:
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html
> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html
> with patches hopefully from this continuous log at
> http://people.w3.org/mike/outgoing/html-a11y.log
> which is time-stamped Tokyo time so the dates are different.
>
> - Judy
>
> At 08:19 AM 11/19/2010 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> Argh. I've just looked at the file more closely. I know my minuting was
> more sparse than I wanted it to be, but I can promise you it wasn't as
> bad as the minutes indicate.
>
> I don't know what happened, or whether any of this is recoverable. I'll
> see what, if anything, I can do locally. That buffer is still open on my
> machine here.
>
> I do know that zakim dropped me several times during the call. It
> appears that the chunk remaining in the minutes is from the point where
> I last reconnected--which was, indeed, near the end of our 3.5 hour
> session.
>
> Janina
>
> Sean Hayes writes:
>> Possibly. There still seems to be a big chunk missing from the middle.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org
>> [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Silvia Pfeiffer
>> Sent: 19 November 2010 00:52
>> To: Paul Cotton
>> Cc: Janina Sajka; HTML Accessibility Task Force
>> Subject: Re: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17
>>
>> I just found these as the first part of the minutes:
>> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html - maybe the minute
>> taking was separated at midnight European time.
>> Cheers,
>> Silvia.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>> > These minutes appear to be VERY short for a MEGA telecom.  Are these the
>> > only notes that were taken?
>> >
>> > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
>> > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
>> > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org
>> > [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:35 PM
>> > To: HTML Accessibility Task Force
>> > Subject: Minutes from Media Subteam Mega-Telecon on Wednesday 17
>> >
>> > November
>> > Reply-To:
>> > X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net
>> > 2.6.35.6-48.spk.fc14.x86_64
>> > X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html
>> > Minutes from today's HTML-A11Y Task Force Media Subteam teleconference
>> > are given in text below, and are available as html at:
>> > http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-html-a11y-minutes.html
>> >
>> >
>> >   W3C
>> >
>> >                                                           - DRAFT -
>> >
>> >
>> > SV_MEETING_TITLE
>> >
>> > 17 Nov 2010
>> >
>> > Attendees
>> >
>> >   Present
>> >          Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia, Sean_Hayes, Judy,
>> > Kenny_Johar, Plh
>> >
>> >   Regrets
>> >   Chair
>> >          SV_MEETING_CHAIR
>> >
>> >   Scribe
>> >          janina
>> >
>> > Contents
>> >
>> >     * Topics
>> >     * Summary of Action Items
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________________________________
>> > ____________________________________________
>> >
>> >   cc-14 ttml=yes; websrt=css??
>> >
>> >   Silvia to clarify with example
>> >
>> >   cc-16/17 ttml=yes; websrt=no
>> >
>> >   <silvia> cc-15 tml=yes; websrt=yes
>> >
>> >   cc-18 ttml=yes, via namespace, -- frowned on
>> >
>> >   <silvia> websrt=yes
>> >
>> >   cc-27 more difficult in xml; but is being done
>> >
>> >   Silvia: has been raised as an issue
>> >
>> >   ecc-1 more complex in websrt
>> >
>> >   jf: important in educational settings, specifically dublin core
>> >
>> >   pp-2 ttml=yes; websrt=no
>> >
>> >   jf: seem two big differences--structural nav and text rendering;
>> > also metadata
>> >
>> >   <Sean> paper talking about XML encoding and streaming
>> > http://www.bayardo.org/ps/www04.pdf
>> >
>> >   <plh> time will be 5pm ET in two weeks
>> >
>> > Summary of Action Items
>> >
>> >   [End of minutes]
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________________________________
>> > ____________________________________________
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>> >                sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>> >
>> > Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation
>> > http://a11y.org
>> >
>> > Chair, Protocols & Formats
>> > Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf World Wide
>> > Web Consortium (W3C)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>                 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>
> Chair, Open Accessibility       janina@a11y.org
> Linux Foundation                http://a11y.org
>
> Chair, Protocols & Formats
> Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Cooper
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
> E-mail cooper@w3.org
> Information Page
Received on Saturday, 20 November 2010 08:48:50 GMT

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