- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:45:59 +0200
- To: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: Bruce Lawson <brucel@opera.com>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Ah, now (think) I understand your thinking. Please note that this is permitted, despite that is not a group of elements, but only a single element: <img role="img" alt=" Alt text. " src="image" > Leif Leif Halvard Silli, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:41:37 +0200: > Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:34:40 +0100: >> hi leif, >> >>> But this does not rule out using <figure role="img"> >> >> ONLY if the images are meant to be percieved as a single image: >> >> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#img >> "An img represents a single graphic within a document, whether or not >> it is formed by a collection of drawing objects." > > Right. But that is the kind of debate we have? This debate does focus > almost solely on the case when <figure> is used to give an <img> a > caption. > > Leif H. > >> regards >> stevef >> >> 2010/6/7 Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>: >>> Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:19:11 +0100: >>>>> Again, Steve, you did not answer one of my questions previously: what >>>>> is the default ARIA role for <figure> *itself*? >>>> >>>> leif try reading what i wrote in my original email on this thread: >>>> >>>> # <figure> should be mapped to accessibility APIs as a grouping >>>> element like <p> or <div> >>>> >>>> in other words role="group" >>> >>> Thanks, I'm sorry I did not looked harder before asking. But this does >>> not rule out using <figure role="img">. Firstly, quoting ARIA, >>> role="img" designate a group *as well*: >>> >>> ]] >>> group >>> A set of user interface objects which are not intended be included >>> in a page summary or table of contents by assistive technologies. >>> […] >>> img >>> A container for a collection of elements that form an image. >>> [[ >>> >>> Secondly, an img doesn't take part in in the TOC. >>> >>> Leif Halvard Silli >>> >>>> regards >>>> stevef >>>> >>>> On 7 June 2010 16:10, Leif Halvard Silli >>>> <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> wrote: >>>>> Steven Faulkner, Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:19:09 +0100: >>>>>> hi bruce, >>>>>> >>>>>>> <figure> >>>>>>> <img src=ceo.jpg alt=""> >>>>>>> <figcaption>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>>>>> synergy</figcaption> >>>>>>> </figure> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> seems entirely accessible (?) >>>>>> >>>>>> the issue i see with this is that using alt="" says the image can be >>>>>> safely ignored. A caption is a label for something so the presence of >>>>>> the image needs to be exposed. >>>>> >>>>> This is no different from the WAI-ARIA example - WAI-ARIA does not >>>>> think it has to "be exposed": >>>>> >>>>> <div role="img" aria-labelledby="caption"> >>>>> <img src="example.png" role="presentation" alt=""> >>>>> <p id="caption">A visible text caption labeling the image.</p> >>>>> </div> >>>>> >>>>>> when <figcaption> is supported in browsers the mapping will be >>>>>> provided so that: >>>>>> >>>>>> <figure><img src=ceo.jpg alt="Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, >>>>>> leveraging a synergy"></figure> >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> <figure> >>>>>> <img src=ceo.jpg> >>>>>> <figcaption>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>>>> synergy</figcaption> >>>>>> </figure> >>>>>> >>>>>> will both provide the accessible name as "Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo >>>>>> Corp, leveraging a synergy" >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The proper solution to Bruce's example ought to be be this: >>>>> >>>>> <figure role="img" > >>>>> <img src=ceo.jpg alt=""> >>>>> <summary>Brian Slick, CEO of Blammo Corp, leveraging a >>>>> synergy</sumamry> >>>>> </figure> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, there are some backward compatibility issues. We have to discuss >>>>> how we can be *both* backward compatible *and* HTML5 compatible. >>>>> -- >>>>> leif halvard silli >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> with regards >>>> >>>> Steve Faulkner >>>> Technical Director - TPG Europe >>>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >>>> >>>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >>>> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >>>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> with regards >> >> Steve Faulkner >> Technical Director - TPG Europe >> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium >> >> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org >> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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