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Re: A11Y-Related Change Proposals that need revision

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:00:39 +0000
Message-ID: <55687cf81001290200m4cf27705t35d416ac1661a9c0@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
hi Maciej,

 OK, I gave you until February 10 to make whatever updates you like:
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/173

thanks


>If it takes longer than that, then we might just ask for counter-proposals
and let any further revisions proceed in parallel.

I am fine with this.

regards
steve

On 28 January 2010 03:37, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
>  On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>
>  Hi Maciej, will update the rationales by mid next week.
>
> The doc
> HTML5: Techniques for the provision of text alternatives
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html
> (associated with 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img
> element Change Proposal
> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 ) is a
> work in progress, I would like to get it to a point that it is ready for
> FWPD, but am unsure of what the requirements are.
>
>
> OK, I gave you until February 10 to make whatever updates you like:
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/173
>
> If it takes longer than that, then we might just ask for counter-proposals
> and let any further revisions proceed in parallel.
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
>
>
>  <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html>
>
>
> regards
> stevef
>
> 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>
>>
>>  On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>>
>> HI maciej,
>> I am a little confused, if you follow the thread you pointed to I provided
>> updates a few days later [
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0268.html]. I
>> ended up splitting the change proposal into 2 seperate proposals. Was this
>> change registered by the chairs?
>>
>> 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img element Change
>> Proposal
>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209
>> 2. Modify img element section Change Proposal
>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203
>>
>>
>> I see. Looks like we did miss that - not sure how. For reference, if you
>> don't see a reply or see the Change Proposal recorded on the issue status
>> page, we probably overlooked it. I'll record these new change proposals.
>> However, I'm not sure if you fully address the original comments. The
>> rationale you give for the two things that lacked rationale is:
>>
>> The intent here is:
>>   To allow new methods to be used for providing short text alternatives
>> (e.g. LABELLEDBY)
>>  To allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark
>> "presentational" images.
>>
>> But that doesn't give a reason, it just repeats back what the change is.
>> Let me know if you'd like to take another try at adding rationale or if we
>> should proceed as-is.
>>
>> Think in terms of completing the sentence: 'HTML5 should allow the use of
>> either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark "presentational" images
>> because...'. I hope you can see how completing it with '... the intent is
>> to allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark
>> "presentational" images' is a circular argument and therefore does not
>> provide actual rationale.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
>>
>>
>> regards
>> steve
>>
>> 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>>
>>>
>>>  On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Maciej,
>>>
>>> >On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed
>>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done
>>> with revisions, >or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes?
>>>  are you talking about revisions to the change proposals on the wiki or
>>> revisions to the documents asscoiated with the change proposal such as
>>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm taking about these review comments about certain things in the Change
>>> Proposal itself not having proper rationale: <
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0238.html>. Are
>>> you planning to make the suggested changes, and if so, when? If you are
>>> planning to make further changes to either the Change Proposal itself or
>>> supporting documents, feel free to include those in your time estimate.
>>>
>>> Here's the current entry on the status page: <
>>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031>.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> MAciej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> stevef
>>>
>>> 2010/1/21 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>>>
>>>> Hello Cynthia, Steve, and HTML Accessibility TF,
>>>>
>>>> The HTML WG Chairs would like to move forward soon on two
>>>> accessibility-related Change Proposals, the ones for table-summary
>>>> (ISSUE-32) and missing-alt (ISSUE-31). We are awaiting revised versions of
>>>> these before calling for counter-proposals or otherwise moving forward,
>>>> though at some point we will consider just going what we have and calling
>>>> for counter-proposals anyway.
>>>>
>>>> On the ISSUE-32 Change Proposal, Cynthia Shelley has the following
>>>> ACTION, which is overdue: <
>>>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/167>. Cynthia, can you give
>>>> us a new realistic timeline?
>>>>
>>>> On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed
>>>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done
>>>> with revisions, or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes?
>>>>
>>>> Task Force, can you please make these revisions a priority, and give
>>>> Cynthia and Steve whatever assistance they need?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Maciej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>> Technical Director - TPG Europe
>>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>>>
>>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
>>> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG Europe
>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>>
>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
>> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG Europe
> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>
> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>
>
>


-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
Web Accessibility Toolbar -
http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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