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Re: A11Y-Related Change Proposals that need revision

From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:44:14 +0000
Message-ID: <55687cf81001220144n768018f4nfb5e792d2ddd60e8@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Maciej, will update the rationales by mid next week.

The doc
HTML5: Techniques for the provision of text alternatives
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html
(associated with 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img
element Change Proposal
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209 ) is a work
in progress, I would like to get it to a point that it is ready for FWPD,
but am unsure of what the requirements are.

 <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html>


regards
stevef

2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>

>
>  On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>
> HI maciej,
> I am a little confused, if you follow the thread you pointed to I provided
> updates a few days later [
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0268.html]. I
> ended up splitting the change proposal into 2 seperate proposals. Was this
> change registered by the chairs?
>
> 1. split out and modify parts of Section 4.8.2.1 the img element Change
> Proposal
> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091209
> 2. Modify img element section Change Proposal
> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203
>
>
> I see. Looks like we did miss that - not sure how. For reference, if you
> don't see a reply or see the Change Proposal recorded on the issue status
> page, we probably overlooked it. I'll record these new change proposals.
> However, I'm not sure if you fully address the original comments. The
> rationale you give for the two things that lacked rationale is:
>
> The intent here is:
>   To allow new methods to be used for providing short text alternatives
> (e.g. LABELLEDBY)
>  To allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark
> "presentational" images.
>
> But that doesn't give a reason, it just repeats back what the change is.
> Let me know if you'd like to take another try at adding rationale or if we
> should proceed as-is.
>
> Think in terms of completing the sentence: 'HTML5 should allow the use of
> either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark "presentational" images
> because...'. I hope you can see how completing it with '... the intent is
> to allow the use of either role="presentation" and/or alt="" to mark
> "presentational" images' is a circular argument and therefore does not
> provide actual rationale.
>
> Regards,
> Maciej
>
>
>
> regards
> steve
>
> 2010/1/22 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>
>>
>>  On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Maciej,
>>
>> >On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed
>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done
>> with revisions, >or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes?
>>  are you talking about revisions to the change proposals on the wiki or
>> revisions to the documents asscoiated with the change proposal such as
>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/new/img-new.html?
>>
>>
>> I'm taking about these review comments about certain things in the Change
>> Proposal itself not having proper rationale: <
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0238.html>. Are
>> you planning to make the suggested changes, and if so, when? If you are
>> planning to make further changes to either the Change Proposal itself or
>> supporting documents, feel free to include those in your time estimate.
>>
>> Here's the current entry on the status page: <
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-031>.
>>
>> Regards,
>> MAciej
>>
>>
>>
>> regards
>> stevef
>>
>> 2010/1/21 Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>>
>>> Hello Cynthia, Steve, and HTML Accessibility TF,
>>>
>>> The HTML WG Chairs would like to move forward soon on two
>>> accessibility-related Change Proposals, the ones for table-summary
>>> (ISSUE-32) and missing-alt (ISSUE-31). We are awaiting revised versions of
>>> these before calling for counter-proposals or otherwise moving forward,
>>> though at some point we will consider just going what we have and calling
>>> for counter-proposals anyway.
>>>
>>> On the ISSUE-32 Change Proposal, Cynthia Shelley has the following
>>> ACTION, which is overdue: <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/167>.
>>> Cynthia, can you give us a new realistic timeline?
>>>
>>> On ISSUE-31, there is currently no tracker action for the needed
>>> revisions. Steve, can you give us your estimate of when you plan to be done
>>> with revisions, or an indication that you do not plan to make any changes?
>>>
>>> Task Force, can you please make these revisions a priority, and give
>>> Cynthia and Steve whatever assistance they need?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Maciej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> with regards
>>
>> Steve Faulkner
>> Technical Director - TPG Europe
>> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>>
>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
>> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG Europe
> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
>
> www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>
>
>


-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG Europe
Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium

www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org
Web Accessibility Toolbar -
http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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