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Re: HTML Chairs Solicit Proposals for ISSUE-85 - ARIA anchor-roles

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:58:30 -0600
Message-ID: <1c8dbcaa1001211058g413d1de6rf2807d85ad64303f@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martin Kliehm <martin.kliehm@namics.com>, Steve Faulkner <sfaulkner@paciellogroup.com>
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Martin,

> I agree that the current spec draft [3] doesn't make sense and is
> restricting the allowed roles too much. I have some ideas, but I
> remember that Steve has created a matrix of roles in a Google doc,
> didn't he?

Yes, I think it is at:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dG9RSE9GMy1JaVlBQ2dIWDliczJHckE&hl=en

Steve, is this the latest?

>I can contribute to such a document.

That would be great.

> The question to me is: is restriction and overriding with "strong native
> semantics" the right approach?
> Do we need such a table/matrix at all?
> Shouldn't we trust that the author knows what he does?
[snip]
> if we need a restriction, is the HTML5 spec the right place?

All good questions for the task force to contemplate and discuss. I
have a related question that I will send out shortly.

Best Regards,
Laura

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Martin Kliehm <martin.kliehm@namics.com> wrote:
> Hi Laura and TF,
>
> Laura Carlson wrote:
>>
>> For your information there is a call for a change proposal to be
>> written for the ARIA anchor-roles, which is HTML Issue 85 [1]. Please
>> see Maciej's message [2] that is also  forwarded below.
>
> I agree that the current spec draft [3] doesn't make sense and is
> restricting the allowed roles too much. I have some ideas, but I remember
> that Steve has created a matrix of roles in a Google doc, didn't he? I can
> contribute to such a document.
>
> The question to me is: is restriction and overriding with "strong native
> semantics" the right approach? Do we need such a table/matrix at all?
> Shouldn't we trust that the author knows what he does?
>
> For example, anchors could be tabs containing hyperlinks to fragment
> identifiers of tabpanels. List items could be children of tablists, but
> themselves they could be ignored (role="presentation") while they contain
> anchors that are tabs. Just accept the author's selection.
>
> Or take flickr: there we have headlines (h1) that can be clicked and edited.
> Remember that @role can take multiple values, so it's a heading and a text
> input at the same time.
>
> And if we need a restriction, is the HTML5 spec the right place? After all
> ARIA is specified in the ARIA spec.
>
> Cheers,
>  Martin
>
> [3]
> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/embedded-content-0.html#annotations-for-assistive-technology-products-aria
>
>
> Laura Carlson wrote:
>>
>> Related References
>>
>> Change Proposals
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Issues#Change_Proposals
>>
>> Accessibility Change Proposal Status
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Laura
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/1024.html
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
>> Date: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:47 PM
>> Subject: ISSUE-85 - anchor-roles - Chairs Solicit Proposals
>> To: "public-html@w3.org WG" <public-html@w3.org>
>>
>> "ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5"
>> This issue has been open three months and was crated under the new
>> decision policy. Per the decision policy, at this time the chairs
>> would like to solicit volunteers to write Change Proposals.
>> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html#escalation
>>
>> If no Change Proposals are written by February 21, 2010 this issue
>> will be closed without prejudice.
>>
>> Issue status link:
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-085
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
>>
>> -- End forwarded message --

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Laura L. Carlson
Received on Thursday, 21 January 2010 18:59:03 GMT

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