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Re: Video Poster image

From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:03:33 -0600
Cc: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Message-Id: <A1602C9C-F0A7-4A95-8B3D-3F01973B50E5@apple.com>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
I respectfully disagree.

I'm sorry, perhaps the word 'poster' is misleading.  In the HTML case, it is not an advertisement for a resource which is 'miles away', as a movie poster is (it's on a billboard, the movie is in a cinema), it's a proxy for the video before it's played in the same place.  I think it conceptually wrong to have alternatives for proxies -- the proxy and the alternative are peers.

On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:46 , Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:

> aloha, david!
> 
> the video is the video itself, full stop...  the poster image is akin 
> to either a conventional movie poster (with the names of actors, other 
> credits, copyright info, and running time -- the two are NOT the same, 
> just like the DVD/Bluray disc you put into a player is the "video" 
> portion of the equation, the packaging usually contains a version of the 
> film's original release poster with added information which most 
> probably will NOT be included in a single frame, which may be the
> "title card" for the movie, the first frame of the opening credits,
> or simply a black frame containing nothing that can be consumed by 
> anyone...
> 
> thus, video and poster are VASTLY different concepts, and while i 
> agree that the 3 points you highlighted need to be urgently 
> addressed, so too does the video and poster issue -- a single 
> frame of a video may be completely meaningless to those who cannot
> visually process it, making the information contained in the poster
> essential -- especially if it indicates that audio description, 
> closed captioning, and multiple language tracks are available
> 
> gregory.
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
> To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
> Cc: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
> Sent: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:27:52 -0600
> Subject: Re: Video Poster image (was RE: DRAFT analysis of fallback
> mechanisms for embedded content ACTION-66)
> 
>> I agree, a poster IS the video.  we should not encourage bad 
>> practices by pretending/allowing otherwise.
>> 
>> I have three questions about annotating audio/video resources:
>>     can I 
>>        (a) provide a short "alt" text? for video 
>>        (b) provide a long description?  
>>        (c) link to a transcript?
>> 
>> These seem to be more important, to me, than worrying about 
>> whether the poster is semantically different from the video.
>> 
>> David Singer
>> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
> ------- End of Original Message -------
> 

David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
Received on Wednesday, 8 December 2010 17:04:07 GMT

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