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RE: ToolTips are a Technique & have no place in HTML5 [was Re: [Bug 9589]]

From: Sean Hayes <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:47:54 +0000
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
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I partly agree with Gregory. I think there is a big difference between marking some help text as tooltip (ie the 'discoverable metadata') - which is a semantic issue and could well have a place in the spec; and defining how the tooltip is presented to the user, which is a display technique and doesn’t really have a place in the spec.

if HTML5 is going to mention tooltip functionality then it certainly should not be as a side effect of some other element or attribute, IMO this semantic should be moved out of the title element into its own markup, either as attribute or element. 

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From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
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Subject: ToolTips are a Technique & have no place in HTML5 [was Re: [Bug 9589]]

Steve wrote:

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For any focusable elements, I would suggest that the tootlip appears on focus after a brief delay, windows OS does this (for example on t the 'start' menu) unquote

ToolTip exposition is a technique ONLY -- title text can as easily be rendered in the status bar or other reviewable screen area -- @title does NOT equal ToolTIp...  ToolTips are NOT part of -- nor should they be -- part of a markup specification; they should be but ONE of many exposition strategies used to present "discoverable metadata"

this is a SERIOUS disconnect which i have attempted to challange within the TF -- ToolTips are an implementation decision, NOT something to be mandated by a technical recommendation, full stop.

gregory.
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